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[gyulasun]

Hi   Gyula
Everything working 100%,unfortunately I'm referring to lenz's law!!
Another stupid idea over with,however,there is lots of take about pulse motors,but I haven't seen anything about pulse generators!!! how about switching it off at the top and bottom of a ac wave form?
"Pay" for the rise in voltage,and collect the "free" flyback,haven't thought it through yet,but what are your comments in principle?
happy hunting.
peter

Hi Peter,

Well,  would you mind describing a little more how you think a pulse generator principle? Why would it be good to switch it off at the peak voltage values if you mean that ?  At the moment all I can say is a flyback pulse (and its energy content) is created fully from the input power you feed in and energy wise you normally do not gain extra power just from the flyback pulse.

If you peep into Jack Hildebrand thread here, you can find motor setup that strongly smells overunity   
See this video first, then go through most of the letters following it: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2386.msg100361.html#msg100361
The motor setup dicussed  there gives a mechanical extra output for an certain electric input and this could be used as an advantage to drive conventional generator(s) to get more electric output than is needed for the motor.

I can show you a link where there is proposed a setup to reduce the effect of Lenz law in generators, have a look at it:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelka/ttf2/fields8.htm
http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelka/ttf2/fields9.htm

Whether his proposal really works as he imagines,  only practical tests can tell.

rgds,  Gyula

[petersone]

Hi Gyula
I have "seen" the info. before,but not studied it,that's where I'm going wrong!!!
I like the idea of turning the pm on and off, with little energy.I tried it with a simple setup,and it works.
It seems like a case going down the ou motor route,or the ou gen.route,of course both would be nice!!
My idea was to use the ac.output as normal,but switch off at the top and bottom peaks,probably to simplistic to work.
Many thanks for your reply.
happy hunting.
peter

[petersone]

Hi Gyula
I've been looking at the pages you kindly suggested,particularly the one by I think jack.h.and I can't help thinking why can't the iron rotor be replaced with a fixed coil and pulse the input,a sort of over unity transformer.
Also,it seems an old idea,like the magnetic boots that you must have seen.
It  seems,to me, strange to do a lot of work to make a motor,all be it ou,we hope,only to put a gen.on the shaft to make juice that we had in the first place.
Were have I gone wrong? I look forward to your advice as always.
happy hunting
peter

[gyulasun]

...I can't help thinking why can't the iron rotor be replaced with a fixed coil and pulse the input,a sort of over unity transformer.
Also,it seems an old idea,like the magnetic boots that you must have seen.
It  seems,to me, strange to do a lot of work to make a motor,all be it ou,we hope,only to put a gen.on the shaft to make juice that we had in the first place.
...Were have I gone wrong? ...

Hi Peter,

Well, my present understanding says if you try to utilize the summed flux of permanent and electromagnets in a fixed coil instead of the iron rotor, then Lenz law surely strikes in for the increased flux the moment you load the coil as usual in case of transformers!  Because then eventually you still have a transformer in which although the input makes more flux change than in a normal transformer but the output current created by this increased flux will reflect back more heavily too, unfortunately.

In case of the iron rotor there is no output coil and the action-reaction though surely occurs in the same way like in case of a normal motor but here the input creates "more bang for the bucks" so there can be more that remains in mechanical torque format in the end of the process.  This is how I see this at present.

One notice to the above "ou" transformer :  if you somehow could store the energy coming out from the output coil in a 'suitable device' and utilize it during the time periode your input pulse is off, then the direct/conventional transformer effect could be reduced and maybe the gain due to flux summation could be maintained... This method was suggested for the case of the MEG (motionless electromagnetic gen of Bearden et al, Naudin) to make it really an ou transformer but I have never come across with any reported results of such output switching solution.
And the solution seems relatively simple: you rectify the output power from the coil and store it in a capacitor and your useful load is connected via a switch to this capacitor in time periodes under which your input pulse is just off: this needs correctly syncronized pulses to control the input and the (electrically otherwise independent) output switch. This is how to do in in theory at least... Maybe the switch should be placed just to the output of one coil end and not after the puffer capacitor, this needs experimenting too. 

By the way, speaking of MEG,  have you heard of the Bulgarian MEG?  I do think it is a definite improvement to the Bearden et al MEG in avoiding the normal transformer operation/drawbacks, see its setup here, it is worth studying!

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4300.0.html     You can start brainstorming...

rgds,  Gyula

[nightlife]

HI NIGHTLIFE, EDDY HERE, PLEASE EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE, THE MAGNETIC MOTOR SEEMS TO ME TO BE A VERY SIMPLE DEVICE TO MAKE AND POWER AN ALTERNATOR. THE POWER OUTPUT OF THE MAGNETIC MOTOR WILL SURELY DEPEND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE MAGNETS USED IN THE STATOR AND THE  OFF-SET ANGLE OF THE MAGNETS ON THE ROTOR WHICH GIVE DIRECTION OF ROTATION. THIS IDEA IS NEW TO ME, SO SIMPLE I DON'T KNOW WHY I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE! THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT BOTHER ME AND THAT IS THE POSSIBLE HEAT CREATED BY THE MAGNETIC FORCES AND THE MOST EFFECIENT ANGLE OF THE MAGNETS ON THE ROTOR FOR OPTIMUM PERFORMENCE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO POST YET AS I'VE ONLY BEEN REGISTERED FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE IT ALL OUT. YOU CAN 'E' MAIL ME A REPLY I GUESS AS I HAVE AN INBOX. MAYBE I'LL BE LUCKY AND FIND THIS AREA OF THE SITE AGAIN TO CHECK YOUR ANSWER, HE HE!  ANYWAY A REALLY INTERESTING SITE. KIND REGARDS EDDY

Hi eddy, sorry it took so long to get back to you, I just got back home from a long trip.

As for the heat that would be created, I am not really sure but I would think it wouldn't be all that much at least not enough to really hurt the motors performance.

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