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Overunity Machines Forum



Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex

Started by Alexioco, May 14, 2008, 10:31:22 AM

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Alexioco

When I think about my wheel I can think of little problems I may have but over all I think it will work, but it will be weak as its output will be one weight strong I think, for me this does not matter as I only want one to entertain myself, if a large wheel was built and the weights were really heavy then it would be a strong wheel, I think that the wheel will be as strong as the weight of one of the weights you use in the wheel meaning there is a small output with less input. Suppose this wheel does not work and we exhaust in different ways, then I will be leaving for a while to understand his MT's, and I mean all of them, and try to combined all of his important wheels, or the ones he points at, but at the moment, Im sure I have combined the correct wheels as it is, im disappointed though as MT 27 is no in my wheel and that is a very very important wheel, unless it is in my design and I have not noticed it, anyway this wheel needs finishing and I?m becoming impatient about these weights, I attempted to make some but fails as its not practical, the weights I need are to be cylindrical with a hole running through them so the rods can be inserted into the weights...
This wheel will look impressive when its done, I just hope it does something impressive too.
I also need a wheel rim, so I can attach the other wheel on with a hinge then have some equal spaced pegs to keep the other wheel on, then put an axel each side and let the thing go.
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hansvonlieven

Quote from: hartiberlin on May 16, 2008, 09:59:55 AM
If sketchyphysics does not work out,
maybe have a look at Newton3

http://www.simsoft.ch/newton/index.php
download at:
http://www.z-online.ch/WebBuild/head_fs.asp?KundenID=Simsoft&S=1&PageNr=9

here are a few video tutorials:

http://www.dsmm.net/English/newton/video_tutorials.php

Good one Stefan.

This programme is a lot different to what we are used to. It is a virtual Meccano set in essence. You can choose from a number of parts like pulleys, gears, levers, shafts and so forth, already rendered in 3D and assemble them as you would with Meccano parts. You can also make up your own parts.

In other words you are actually building a virtual machine much as you would in a real workshop.Unfortunately it is expensive $140.00 US plus shipping was the cheapest I have seen so far.

Some examples:







Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

broli

Oke here's some stuff from my new setup. This is the 3rd build and it's much cleaner and "stable" :p

Video: http://broli.dommel.be/httpdocs/lAlexWheel.avi (a bit choppy)
Image:


Currently the wheel is pretty much locked, I think this has to do with the fact I can't insert a mass value, I think everything has the same mass now. And like I also noted earlier sketchyphysics is a bit lacky  ;D.

Oh yeah here's is a previous attempt, this one just explodes :p.



Scorpile

Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 15, 2008, 11:20:18 PM
No, Stefan it does not behave naturally.

After the simulation comes to a standstill there is massive acceleration on the return. That is NOT natural behaviour if the wheel itself is in a balanced state to start with.

If you give a balanced wheel a push, it will come to a standstill. It will not reverse direction like a pendulum.

There is something decidedly odd here. It would seem to me from my other simulations that the more kinetic components there are in the system the more unreliable the programme becomes.

Hans von Lieven
If you model an unbalanced system, if you don't model it at the total rest point, will have accumulated energy before you release it.  When you activate it, will start to act like a pendulum, why? because the gravity pull things down on the right of the central point of the system, and pull things down on the left side also, and it has to get rid of the accumulated energy due the imbalanced start position.  But it depends a lot on the mass of the system and friction of the joints in real life, cause it can release energy there, reducing the pendulum efect.

Alexioco

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A perfect friend, a Father too,
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