Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex

[hartiberlin]

Hmm,
I also played with different rod lengths in this MT24 design and maybe I did not yet get the right
rod lengths combinations ?

But I tried several different combinations and all wheels just keeled...

I am still waiting to see some positive results from Alex.

Otherwise just get the Water Motor from Dieter Marfurt and scale it up.
It just works very nicely...
Look at the left border ad.

Regards, Stefan.

[rlortie]

Hi All,
do you still say,
when you have seen this movie:

http://overunity.com/alexioco/harti_bessler03.avi

that a ramp has no usefull
effect ?

The green weight is 40 Kg and the Blue
weight is 20 Kg...More to come...Regards, Stefan.

Your simulation has useful effect!  It says that either WM2D cannot be trusted or your input is with fault.

Using the graphic engineer format in the background as reference   I see the following discrepancies.

A...  The blue weight does not fall true vertical but rather in a very slight "S" shape??
B...  The ramp is less than 45 degrees, thus the blue weight is falling more than twice the distance to achieve half the            elevated distance of the green weight.

C...  Once the green weight is clear of the ramp it will pull the blue up and into the pulley and become what is called in     the rigging and crane operating world as "tube-locked". There will be no rebound (yo-yo) as shown, I would guess your collision and or elasticity factors need adjusting. Either that or you are using a bungee cord for a rope.

D... On the second simulated rise of the blue weight it shows an acceleration increase creating an "Evert" loop-the- loop effect; http://www.evert.de/eft416e.htm  yet there is no physical reason for the weight to react in such manner. The gradient of what is falling and what is raising  will keep the rope tight.In real life their would be no second cycle of the blue or green weight without the use of tension springs or bungee rope.

Overview;  Green weight falls off end of less than 45 degree ramp blue ball having traveled over twice the distance and has gained approximately four times the inertial energy. This is now quickly dampened by the gravitational pull of the heavier green weight which begins to fall at a 1:1 ratio pulling up blue weight. Having twice the weight and the same distance to fall it will increase in kinetic energy (not velocity) four times  that of the blue weight. Attaching hardware (rigging) of blue weight  becomes jammed in the pulley.(tube-locked)... The scenario comes to an abrupt end providing rope or cable does not snap or tear out your pulley supports.

As to how you intend to reset this cycle remains to be explored!

I am also apprehensive and question if the green weight resting its mass on an inclined plane will not simply roll down hill raising the lighter blue weight providing resistance is ignored. A 40 K gs weight sitting on an inclined plane still represents 40 K  gs of gravitational potential. The ramp only increases the time line of that potential to descend.   

Disclosure: This is my opinion and should be evaluated as such. Feel free to debate, refute or correct any misleading statements. Hopefully you can prove me wrong and change my biased opinion of WM2D

Ralph     
   

[rlortie]

Okay, here is now the promised
Alex_MT wheel simulation:

http://overunity.com/alexioco/alex_new25.avi
http://overunity.com/alexioco/alex_new25.wm2d
You see, that it keels again.

Stefan,

Your new25avi is doing exactly as I envisioned it doing.  I do not think there is any simulation problems here.

This is not the answer and as I previously stated: as the two related threads expand, simulations and input to the original concept was being lead astray, a path with very little of the original idea that he presented to me is  being expounded on here, even less in your simulations. 

You cannot elude the fact that Alex has changed designs a number of times, throwing in more MT drawings, only confusing the matter. To me it is subjective  proof that he currently does not have a runner. I am not the least dismayed, as I told him approximately  May 9th what, IMO was wrong. He responded in a kudos manner,  stating that I was right and I was the only one to recognize it.  problem is  neither of us have sit down and discussed the problem. I do not believe  Alex really understood my comment and its relevance.

I am now awaiting acknowledgment from him. I live by a solemn oath not to reveal contents of confidential e-mail unless authorized by the submitter. Alex has left me in a very precarious position by first asking me for my opinion, requesting confidentiality and then creating two threads on this forum.

As one of my peers and member of the  Milkovic team put it: "Its like trying to explain a color to a blind man" 

Ralph       

[hartiberlin]

Overview;  Green weight falls off end of less than 45 degree ramp blue ball having traveled over twice the distance and has gained approximately four times the inertial energy. This is now quickly dampened by the gravitational pull of the heavier green weight which begins to fall at a 1:1 ratio pulling up blue weight. Having twice the weight and the same distance to fall it will increase in kinetic energy (not velocity) four times  that of the blue weight.
   

Well, yes, I wanted only to show,that you can
lift a double as heavy weight via the ramp with a weight only half as much.

I am still pondering about, how I can use this lifting effect efficiently in a wheel
design.


Regards, Stefan.

[hartiberlin]

Stefan,

Your new25avi is doing exactly as I envisioned it doing.  I do not think there is any simulation problems here.

This is not the answer and as I previously stated: as the two related threads expand, simulations and input to the original concept was being lead astray, a path with very little of the original idea that he presented to me is  being expounded on here, even less in your simulations. 

You cannot elude the fact that Alex has changed designs a number of times, throwing in more MT drawings, only confusing the matter. To me it is subjective  proof that he currently does not have a runner. I am not the least dismayed, as I told him approximately  May 9th what, IMO was wrong. He responded in a kudos manner,  stating that I was right and I was the only one to recognize it.  problem is  neither of us have sit down and discussed the problem. I do not believe  Alex really understood my comment and its relevance.

I am now awaiting acknowledgment from him. I live by a solemn oath not to reveal contents of confidential e-mail unless authorized by the submitter. Alex has left me in a very precarious position by first asking me for my opinion, requesting confidentiality and then creating two threads on this forum.

As one of my peers and member of the  Milkovic team put it: "Its like trying to explain a color to a blind man" 

Ralph       

Hi Ralph,
yes, I think,
the MT24 and MT25 have no success.
It all keels down and balances out.
These wheels are just too symmetrical.

We need an asymmetrical disturbance every rotation to keep
it going.... but how...