I have a working Bessler wheel in my simulation !

[AB Hammer]

@hartiberlin

LOL I like it. It is a chaos pendulum, I would be honored to build you a real one and video it and send it to you to post. I have everything I need to do it and it won't take 15 minutes to do. Just give me the go ahead and it will be done.

[hartiberlin]

Sure ABHammer,
go ahead and build it.
The more people will try it the better.

Yes, in this moment it looks pretty much like a chaoswheel,
but I hope that I can sync still the wheel rotation better to the
weights movements.

I just say,that it needs the high air resistance ( friction)
inside WM2D set to 0.300 kg/m^2.
This is the standard setting value for the high air resistance there.

If I set the air friction to low speed:
0.300 kg/m-s
it still spins endlessly, but changes its direction from time to time.

So the big wheel seems to need some outout load ( here the air rsistance)
to sync correctly to the 2 jumping and flying weights...

Well, I guess this is it for me for tonight.

Have a good night and dream about perpetual motion !
Now it has come true...

[hartiberlin]

Hmm,
now  after about 25000 frames of the animation,
that wheel begins to slow down and keels..
Well........, but this concept still has very much merit.

The wheel has produced probably way lot more energy than put into
it by then already..although the weights are pretty heavy with around 100 Kg.
Have to check, if it also runs with lower weights in the same ratio,

As it uses the centrifugal forces, this is something new
to all the MT drawings,which only use
weight forces and which in my view can?t work.
Only via converting the excessive centrifugal forcesI think
something can be achieved.

Now finally to bed...
Regards, Stefan.

[fletcher]

Stefan .. I would check your pin placements - seems one is not exactly opposite the other [where the small rods connect to the main wheel] - logic says this should be chaotic motion until the weights both hang at rest below the axle height - the test would be to start the sim in this position first off [position of least PE] - otherwise the chaotic swinging is steadily loosing Potential Height & therefore PE & this is what is driving it - like a weight clock running down, IMO - sry :7(

[rlortie]

Stefan .. I would check your pin placements - seems one is not exactly opposite the other [where the small rods connect to the main wheel] - logic says this should be chaotic motion until the weights both hang at rest below the axle height - the test would be to start the sim in this position first off [position of least PE] - otherwise the chaotic swinging is steadily loosing Potential Height & therefore PE & this is what is driving it - like a weight clock running down, IMO - sry :7(

Fletcher and Stefan,

I agree as usual, I slowed it down and attempted a frame by frame analysis. There is definitely  a point where the weights hang at rest in a keel position, yet there is chaotic motion noticeable in the descending side where the weight for some unknown reason changes direction in the middle of an outward swinging  descent mode. The velocity combination of the wheel and lever combined  with the extended radius  would negate any such change of motion, I would think!

Ralph