Interesting experiment with an transformer, 2 lamps, diodes and an magnet

[hartiberlin]

Hi Markus,
great new scope and well done  experiment !
Try to see, if your scope can multiply the 2 channels.
This can be used to calculate instant power input in the way you have measured it
already !
Some scopes also have an integral function, so by multiplying Voltage and amperage ( via the shunt)
you get the power input and also energy input in a time frame.

Then if it has an integral function you can calculate the area ( Fl?che unter der Kurve)
beneath the multiplied waveform and get the energy input for this time period.

Then you should measure the same Voltage and Current ( again via the shunt) at the
kickback lamp and also at the normal lamp and compare this again in the multiply
mode with the input power or energy  during the same time period.

I guess your scope can do this, probably at least show as a 3rd trace the multiplied
waveform which will show instant power input ?
Or can it only show 2 traces ?
Maybe it can show a digital number of the multiplied 2 traces over the displayed timeperiod
it just displays,e.g. 50 milliseconds from left to right and shows the energy input this way
via a number in this e.g. 50 milliseconds timeframe ?

Good luck !

Best regards, Stefan.

[GM]

Hi,

here are the promised screenshots from the setup with the normal
wounded coil on a ferrite rod a made yesterday.

Like I wrote, here we found comparable kickback-energy from the coil
(but this is nothing new like Paul mentioned correcly).

But when I use the magnet to increase the kickback energy I got simultaneous
an increase of power consumption of the whole circuit.

More informations whithin the picture(s).

Markus

edit: fixed a mistake in the paintings...

[GM]

Hi Stefan,

Hi Markus,
great new scope and well done  experiment !

Try to see, if your scope can multiply the 2 channels.
This can be used to calculate instant power input in the way you have measured it
already !
Some scopes also have an integral function, so by multiplying Voltage and amperage ( via the shunt)
you get the power input and also energy input in a time frame.

Then if it has an integral function you can calculate the area ( Fl?che unter der Kurve)
beneath the multiplied waveform and get the energy input for this time period.

Then you should measure the same Voltage and Current ( again via the shunt) at the
kickback lamp and also at the normal lamp and compare this again in the multiply
mode with the input power or energy  during the same time period.

I guess your scope can do this, probably at least show as a 3rd trace the multiplied
waveform which will show instant power input ?
Or can it only show 2 traces ?
Maybe it can show a digital number of the multiplied 2 traces over the displayed timeperiod
it just displays,e.g. 50 milliseconds from left to right and shows the energy input this way
via a number in this e.g. 50 milliseconds timeframe ?

Good luck !

Thank you very much.

The scope can do all this stuff.

At first: I do not expect, that this setup will produce more energy than it gets
as input. But alone the reverse behaivor of the power consumption when the
magnet is placed near the core is IMHO very remarkable.
And it seem that this effect only appears in a magnetic-closed-loop core (toroid).

I will perform again the experiement with the toroid core and will do all
the measurements. I hope I will have enough time to do all the painting stuff
with the screenshots today and upload it.

@tao: I dont know, if this is the whole secret of the Steven Marks Device, because
in the latest SM-Device video he shows a very early version of the device, which
seems to work with a normal rod core. (I mean the device which is "build in" in a small silver
metall case together with 2 transformers and a 25 watt light bulb - I think you know
the video)

@tao (2): Yes, I will do the test with a second magnet too. Stay tuned.

Markus

[MeggerMan]

Hi Markus,

Nice results!
If you increase the number of turns you should be able to increase the back emf voltage and reduce the volts drop loss of the diodes.
Also increase the cross sectional area of the torroid core will also help (bigger torroid).
I am interested in what you are doing here as I suspect this crosses over with the magnetic valve idea, see the following:
overunity.com The international free energy research forum > Mechanical setups > Magnet Motors > Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,833.225.html

Everything seems to tie in with the magnetic valve idea, the flux density in the core must be just right for the switch to work.
Can I suggest that you try to angle the magnet at 45 degrees instead of the normal 90 degrees.
Then try two magnets at a 45 degree angle with one on the inside of the core and one on the outside.
You may need to use ceramic magnets if you have them as a neodymium magnet will saturate the ferrite at around 250mT (I think).

Regards

Rob

[GM]

Try to see, if your scope can multiply the 2 channels.
This can be used to calculate instant power input in the way you have measured it
already !

Stefan,

unfortunatelly the scope can't do two calculations on one signal at once.
The problem is, I need for measuring the voltage and the current a single
GND (at the same point for the two oscilloscope probes).

Code Select Expand


    Ch1       GND     Ch2
     |         |       |
+ o----#####-----(X)------o -
         R       bulb


But with this measurement setup one signal is always inverted.
And then the the calucation for the power per timeperiod (CH1 * CH2)
will going wrong.

The scope is not able to invert a chanel AND taking this result as
input for a second calculation.

Okay, I could try to measure the chanel 1 first and store the waveform into
a reference-memory which can be used as source for further calculations.

eg.
1) Sample Ch1 (across the 1 ohm resistor) and store the wave into Wave-Memory 1

Code Select Expand


    Ch1       GND
     |         | 
+ o----#####-----(X)------o -
         R       bulb



2) Then move the ground connector of the scope to ground of the kickback bulb
   and sample Ch1 again.

Code Select Expand


             Ch1       GND
              |         | 
+ o----#####-----(X)------o -
         R       bulb



3) During measuring signal 2) calculate the power-waveform using the waveform
   which is stored into the waveform memeory 1 (Wavememory 1 * Ch1).

BUT, I suspect the signals will get out of phase on the time axis when
I do it this way. Because the triggerpoint of the live meausred signal will not
excactly be on the same "timestamp" like the trigger of the saved waveform.

Any suggestion to solve this problem?

Markus