Magnetic Permeability ... I can't find anyone talking about this !!!!!

[Sudonym]

No problem, thank you for the compliment.

I would definitely like to applaud you for your willingness to look at the real core of the issue. I have found many interesting and overlooked facts by taking a very careful look at the so called fundamentals. It is discussions like these that really challenge both the layman and expert alike.

I have a strong "inkling", that what we are all looking for will not be found in some exotic theory or complicated embodiment. Refined, the concepts that free us will be simple and profound.

Also, don't be afraid to look up the math involved with alot of this. Most of it is very simple using nothing more than 7th grade pre algebra. You will find that you can learn alot from this approach but only if you marry the concept to the math, because we all know the math alone is crap till it is connected with reality in our minds. Think of it less as math, and more as relationships....if we change this..what happens to that?

Either way, thanks for the good discussion, and your many good observations of which many still stand.

[The Observer]

Sudo,

Gotta get to work, so this will be short.

                  1st, I have gained a lot of respect for you since looking at a few of your videos.
                         It seems that we are both interested in Transformers and it appears you have a lot more experience than I.

With that said,   
                     
Although your video does definitely shows longer rise time, I am still suspicous that it is 1000's of times longer.
    If you were using Metglass then it would be on the order of 10,000 to 100,000 times longer.
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I stand by my assertion claiming a regular speaker would take Magnitudes more Energy to run without using ferro.
                                                                                                                        (without Magnet or Iron Core inside coil)

                                                       Is this a statement you would agree with?
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New Year... New Energy,
                                         The Observer

[Sudonym]

The reason it was not more of a change because I went from half a core to a full core. With no core, the coil was much lower on the inductance, into the nano henries. Also, metglass has many alloys which have different permiabilities, for example the small round c cores I showed were for high freq and had less permeability. Also I had the cores aligned up backwards, they are marked to get as flush a face to face connection as possible but as you could see, once they are properly pressed together the inductance goes way up. I pressed lightly in the video on miss matched faces, and it doubled.


You may be correct about the speakers, but one could re design them to work with a magnet and no ferro, you would need many more turns to make up for the missing ferro, meaning you need higher voltage to run them. Also speaker design is a science which is almost opposite of what we are looking for. Speakers are designed to have very flat response to frequency change, they design them, to have time constants larger than the slowest frequency so that you don't waste energy. If you lower the inductance, and play a low freq tone, the coil in the speaker will reach its current ceiling quickly and you will get terrible sound reproduction. From my studies, I have found that resonance is what we want, not the opposite of resonance like in speakers.

[nueview]

i have been following this discussion for the past few days and have enjoyed the points of view of everyone but i am left with a few questions at this point that just keep nagging at me and they have seemed to be passed by.

the first to my thinking is just a bit unusual it deals with the saturation point if a transformer is saturated there should be no current induced in the secondary  if what you are saying is correct i have not seem this to be so so if you could explain why it would be appreciated.

the second is a bit more complicated and it would be very difficult for me to ask but here goes anyway you stated that a body at rest stays at rest and a body in motion stays in motion this does not make any sense to me everything is in motion but it is relevant to other bodies so what keeps them at rest might be more appropriate to ask. i know that conductive fluids make the best lubricants so is the state of rest only due to resistance or a lack of current flow or rate of flow somebody is wrong here and am trying to sort this out  please help.

Martin

[TechStuf]

I have a strong "inkling", that what we are all looking for will not be found in some exotic theory or complicated embodiment. Refined, the concepts that free us will be simple and profound.

Interesting statement, and research, Sudonym...


Then perhaps experiment with the magnetic beam amplifier patented by Boyd Bushman in tandem with Lockheed.  Flux quanta made to intersect at or near right angles liberate more electrons without penalty, such that quite a floodgate can be opened and directed as one wishes.  Think of the common dipole twisted sideways, in effect employing magnons as a cumulative key to achieving a stable magnetovortex, from which electrons may be scooped away at will.


http://www.rense.com/general54/babalc.htm



Or one may wish to closely observe the results of Howard Johnson, Qin Gang, and Perendev.  While most are interested in duplicating such research in the hope of replicating observed effects/anomalies, most also miss the fact that many, many field fluctuations are being achieved with very little kinetic energy losses.  At some point, an "Aha" moment arises from which there is but a small jump to a solid state solution.



MR