Magnetic Permeability ... I can't find anyone talking about this !!!!!

[wings]

@The Observer

Magnet block wall, I suggest to investigate a bit here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1182.msg105374.html#msg105374

http://www.scivee.tv/node/5988

and suggest to download the *paper"  here

http://www.nanomagnetics.us/sbowman.htm

In the magnet the flux lines are quite different from the standard model......

Marzio

[terry1094]

Indeed, 'field' is a poor description.  See the double vortices on page 10 of this:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34317/Spintronics-The-Secret-World-of-Magnets-2006-by-Howard-Johnson

Terry

[The Observer]

Good Day,

Terry,
        Thanks for pointing that out (that an electron does not make a perfect elliptical orbit)... as well the book by Howard Johnson.
        I had run into him when I was interested in making a permanent magnet motor.
        In fact,,, I have pretty much made one (a magnet only motor), aside from purchasing a bunch of magnets and precisely putting them around a wheel.
   
        Since Howard has come up, I will shortly tell of a device I came up on the 5th day of a 10 day binge playing with magnets from dawn till dusk in April '08.

        1. Squeeze cylinder magnets around a wheel that spins on a central axis of at least 12 inches in diameter. (a kids bike wheel works nicely)
             Place magnets the whole way around with no gaps or imperfections in geometry.      N up    S down.
              They won't wanna go together, but they need to be, for this to work.
               Duct tape can temporarily do the trick, but glue &/or holes precisely drilled is what needs to be done.

         2. Take another magnet and place or hold it next to the wheel, experiment with different orientations.
           
     That's it !

     If you only have 10 small magnets (preferably neo-magnets), you can line up 9 together on the wheel, and use the 10th on the outside.
      Squeeze... did I mention Squeeze the 9 together... it will not work unless they are squeezed as close as physically possible.
       The wheel won't go all the way around, cause you would need a lot more magnets,
        However, you will be able to observe a tendency of the wheel to wanna spin 1 way or the other depending on the orientation of the outside magnet.

     Although I've wondered how this works... I do know why it works from simple observation.
  It works because if you slide 2 magnets together with opposite poles facing up, holding 1 magnet...
    the other magnet FLIPS over and jumps on top of the other magnet so S can be next to N.

     It's the Energy of that Flip that powers what I call the Atom Motor, by forcing the angular torque to one place, the axis in middle of the wheel.

     Remember that N is up on the wheel, well if the outside magnet has N up also, no FLIP will occur.
     The outside magnet would just jump over since S is already facing down.
     Here, you will find the wheel will not turn at all... No FLIP Energy, no turn.
        Then as the outside magnet is rotated to it's 180 degree opposite perpendicularly... you will find more and more torque as you reach the point where S is up.
        More Flip Energy, More Torque.
            Finally, as you pass this point (past 180 degrees rotation), the magnet would then want to flip the other way to satisfy it''s "needs'.
            This subsequently causes the wheel to spin the other way.

   I'm pretty sure if I had to prove why this works to a bunch of physicists, I would quote the Lorentz Force... force on a current carrying wire in a magnetic field.

   I do want to construct The Atom Motor... however, I have found Magnetic Permeability very interesting and realized that ultimately a coil/core OU
    device would be an easier to make (once fully understood) and spread to the world, not to mention no worries about moving parts.


Now I did read about Ferromagnetic Resonance in the Book I quoted in the last post.

I find these words very interesting...  "Saturation effects occur at low power levels".

                                            This is what I have been looking for !

It means with the right frequency, very little power is needed to produce maximum movement of the already amplified magnetic 'field'.

The Journey Continues,

                                  The Observer

[terry1094]

That's sort of the idea behind the Sprain motor:

http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Harry_Paul_Sprain_magnet_motor

Terry

[Charlie_V]

Hello Observer,

I'm about to go to bed so I have to make this quick.  The wheel you describe will not work.  I found the same affect when I started playing with magnets.  It was so tempting I bought 150 rare earth magnets and finished my wheel.  When you close the gap the wheel no longer spins.  The more magnets you put on it the slower it will spin too.  I think its because when you have a few magnets, theres a sharp gradient and the gradient is what makes it spin.  The more you add the less the gradient becomes until the circle is completed and the gradient is gone. 

I delve a little bit into soliton waves about a year ago.  The math was beyond me but the concept wasn't.  Soliton waves were first discovered in the 1800's by a mechanical engineer (I think he was mechanical - either that or a mathematician) who observed them in water.  Unfortunately no one payed much attention to him until 100 years later.  In the 1980s a bunch of research was done and people started taking it seriously when soliton waves could be reproduced in the laboratory.  They also discovered that soliton waves were quite common in nature - which until then they thought they were extremely rare and "flukes". 

If the boundary conditions of any wave in any medium are just right, it produces a wave that acts like a moving particle.  It carries momentum and will transfer that momentum on impact with other soliton waves or the boundary itself - normal waves don't do that, they go through each other and do not affect themselves or the boundary.  There are several papers where some engineers designed a tube with resonant bell chambers placed along the tube's length.  When a pressure wave was started at the beginning the tube, the wave developed into a soliton and they could make measurements.  In fact, they discovered this setup because someone built a tunnel for one of those super fast trains and they put air "chambers" down the tunnels for ventilation.  Unfortunately for the designers, when the train went zooming by at like 300mph it created a soliton wave inside the tunnel and when the wave went into the passenger boarding area (also in the tunnel - I think it was like a subway tunnel or something, I can't remember the details) the wave was like a bomb and it collapsed the tunnel.  I don't think anyone was hurt because it was preliminary testing of the tracks. 

Unfortunately, the EM theories grew up without soliton waves.  It appears to me that electrons and photons are probably not both a particle and a wave, but are simply soliton waves.  Matter itself is probably a form of soliton wave too.  The electromagnetic equations should be redone using the soliton model - I feel this would be more accurate (if not fit better).  The interesting thing is what media are these waves really traversing, since technically they are in a vacuum. 

Good night,
Charlie