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[Jokker]

So iv did some math. IF ill compare hydrogen as a fuel to a propane, then it is guide possible  that u can run car fully on hydrogen ( HHO cell). Also u may want to know that almost half of engine power will go to alternator, so u will need at least 15KW alternator (usually car got 1KW alternator)

They say that hydrogen is most effective fuel, so i guess if u will mod you engine then u can get along with smaller cell on board. 

[Jokker]

All gasoline devices are scams, insofar as they promote the on-board conversion of gasoline into vapors.  This is because it costs more energy to make the gasoline than the gasoline will give back to engine.

gasoline powered cars and other gasoline-assisting methods are legit, but the idea is to make gasoline first and then put it in the car for use.

Funny!!!!

Dude im rereading this tread... and i cant get a idea. Ur user with 3 posts. Ur using in forum named overunity, people there believe in such thing.
People there want to achieve something, but what about you. What is your purpose... make them "unbealive" it.
Im sorry but thing such as MPG increase by using on-board electrolysis is working and yea ... u can get 50 % out of it it depends on many things. 

[Bulbz]

All gasoline devices are scams, insofar as they promote the on-board conversion of gasoline into vapors.  This is because it costs more energy to make the gasoline than the gasoline will give back to engine.

gasoline powered cars and other gasoline-assisting methods are legit, but the idea is to make gasoline first and then put it in the car for use.

Funny!!!!

Definately a pure-hearted free energy person in the making  .

[utilitarian]

Sorry fellas, rag on me all you want, but the math simply does not work out.  Let's examine the situation.

Let's use Stephan's numbers.  The efficiency of gasoline is 20%.  The efficiency of HHO is 40%.  Assume a given quantity of fuel has 100 units of energy.

Given that, a car running purely on gasoline will produce 20 units of mechanical energy to the wheels.

Let's take a car that can generate HHO gas onboard.  Assume that half the gasoline energy is used to drive the car, and half is used to create HHO.  Now, key question, what is the efficiency of gasoline in creating HHO?  I do not know for sure, but by the time the energy gets to the alternator, it has already passed the engine, and has suffered all the heat and friction involved with that.  We save some efficiency because we do not need to take into account friction and heat in the transmission and wheels, but we do have the added losses associated with the alternator, but let's say the efficiency of gasoline in creating HHO gas is 50% (as opposed to 20% for actually moving the car).  This is probably generous, but let's go ahead and use 50% for sake of argument.

So, in a hybrid engine like this, we have 10 units of movement energy coming from the 50 units of energy in the gasoline.  Then, we have 50 (from gasoline) x 50% (efficiency in creating HHO) x 40% (efficiency of HHO) = 10.  So we have the same 20 units of energy as without the HHO.  And, if the efficiency of gasoline conversion into HHO is less than 50%, which is quite likely, then you will actually have lower gas mileage than when you started.

[Bulbz]

Sorry fellas, rag on me all you want, but the math simply does not work out.  Let's examine the situation.

Let's use Stephan's numbers.  The efficiency of gasoline is 20%.  The efficiency of HHO is 40%.  Assume a given quantity of fuel has 100 units of energy.

Given that, a car running purely on gasoline will produce 20 units of mechanical energy to the wheels.

Let's take a car that can generate HHO gas onboard.  Assume that half the gasoline energy is used to drive the car, and half is used to create HHO.  Now, key question, what is the efficiency of gasoline in creating HHO?  I do not know for sure, but by the time the energy gets to the alternator, it has already passed the engine, and has suffered all the heat and friction involved with that.  We save some efficiency because we do not need to take into account friction and heat in the transmission and wheels, but we do have the added losses associated with the alternator, but let's say the efficiency of gasoline in creating HHO gas is 50% (as opposed to 20% for actually moving the car).  This is probably generous, but let's go ahead and use 50% for sake of argument.

So, in a hybrid engine like this, we have 10 units of movement energy coming from the 50 units of energy in the gasoline.  Then, we have 50 (from gasoline) x 50% (efficiency in creating HHO) x 40% (efficiency of HHO) = 10.  So we have the same 20 units of energy as without the HHO.  And, if the efficiency of gasoline conversion into HHO is less than 50%, which is quite likely, then you will actually have lower gas mileage than when you started.

That's cobblers... If you put super-unleaded into a car instead of regular-unleaded, you get a performance and mileage improvement. So how can adding extra energy from HHO cause less MPG ?. The only thing that would cause a decrease in MPG, is if the engine increases the fuel mixture, due to the ECU thinking that the fuel is too lean. That's why some sort of shunt is needed to fool the oxygen sensor.