URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[WilbyInebriated]

@dopey
'your science' appears to involve a lot of talking and very little, if any building...

the experimental results would be an I.C.E. running on water, how ever rough it runs or even if it only idles. obviously, if you can achieve that, then you would have your 'success'.

yes, theories abound from all quarter well prior to any clear description or objective evaluation of the "assumed-a priori-to-be-surprising" results. this is how the world works too bad if you don't like it. by 'god' there are still people that believe in some bearded metaphysical shepherd entity in the sky but not elves and dragons, 'scientists' no less.

please go back to lurking or does 'your science' focus on the endless pedantic requirements of structure and useless talking?
or you could actually DO the experiment with YOUR OWN strict requirements of structure... or isn't that important in "your science"?

@ gotoluc and the rest of the builders
stay with it!

[nul-points]

@dopey
dayyum- even as i call up the reply box i see Wilby has beaten me too it ! 

i was going to say something along the lines of:  ok, show us all how to do it, Dave... sorry... dopey...  roll yer sleeves up, get yer hands dirty & 'muck in'

this reminds me of a song from decades ago when i was just a wee bairn - 'there i was, digging a hole, a hole in the ground..'  a workman is in the process of digging said hole and a guy in a bowler hat comes up & tells them he's doing it all wrong, 'you're digging it round & it ought to be square' - that sort of stuff

the song ends with the workman finishing the job, hole filled in...

the guy in the bowler?    ...occupying the hole


i don't know that anybody here claims to be a trained scientist, D, but we're certainly explorers

we've heard that someone thinks that the 'earth is a sphere' - so, if established science has decided to lock itself in an ivory tower and continue believing that the 'world is flat', we're off in a boat to find out for ourselves

yep, we're not good navigators, we don't have a great boat, we don't have public funding

if, by some amazing chance, Einstein was correct in assuming some kind of  'vacuum medium' whilst he was on the road to giving us GR, then we certainly aren't going to find it by not looking

if you're really so concerned about the 'standard' of experimentation then lead by example - start a thread, run an experiment to test an 'overunity' claim, observe it, report it, document it - all as you would like to see - educate us in 'the way'

if you're not really interested in making a positive contribution, then i have to question just what exactly is your motive for posting on this forum

all the best, D
sandy
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site  http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc

[AbbaRue]

@Dopey
I will put it this way.
There are 2 ways to go about solving a problem, Logically or Intuitively.
Your way of doing research is by the Logical route.
Taking measurements all along the way, and making minute changes.
But most of us here like to do things in an intuitive way.
We go with a gut feeling, and try new avenues.
The way I look at it;
The Logical route builds on what is already known and seldom comes up with anything new.
If it doesn't seem logical well then it just won't work, so it's no use trying it.

Intuition takes risks, and bypasses the slow route of doing everything one step at a time,
and along well known avenues. We try things that don't make sense just to see what will happen.
Sometimes hooking something up the wrong way ends up making a new discovery.
Personally I don't trust any measuring device. 
What will convince me of OU. is a device that powers itself. then there is No Question!  that it's OU.
Some of the projects on this forum are so different from main stream physics
that I doubt they can be measured using standard instruments.

We welcome you and your Logical route of doing things, we need your type of researcher too.
But please don't try to discourage us in our Intuitive approach.
If we get some really cool results then we do the measurements.
Together we can approach this adventure from both directions and maybe change the world.

So pick a setup that makes some logical sense and try and build it.
Then go from there one step at a time making changes and taking detailed measurements.
Then you can post them here for all of us to see.

[hoptoad]

Dopey's got a point, but then again, I think all 7 dwarfs had one 

[alan]

With science and engineering both logic and intuition are used, or the left and right brain hemispheres.
Measuring is important to direct experiments and to prevent fooling yourself.
Even if an ICE runs smoothly on batteries, then that doesn't say a thing, it still could be 10% efficient and the fully charged battery could be drained in 5 minutes.
It's all about analyzing this single event, a single spark in this matter and check if the results are the same as graneau's.
Measuring the kinetic energy of a single discharge is a must if you want to know the COP and efficiency, or if the ice runs, it can be coupled to a generator, then also the COP can be determined.

But then again, I only talk