URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[resonanceman]

@Xbox
After carefully observing your video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He26yOULGu4, I believe that the intake and exhaust valves are NOT needed.

@ all
Intake and exhaust valves are used to bring in fuel and remove exhausted fuel out.  However in our case, we aren?t doing a chemical burn and therefore no fuel needs to be brought in and out.  The expansion of the 35psi to 75psi (thank you Xbox) shows that the cylinder could be closed--I think.  I do not know if the 30-70psi is enough difference to drive a piston down and back up; I will have to test this for myself. 

I surmise that in order to get an ICE to work with plasma and water, these are the steps I have to follow:
1. Close the intake and exhaust values. I have a 3hp B&S lawnmower engine to do this.
2. Have the correct amount of water in the cylinder so as not to ?flood? the spark gap, but enough to agitate the water with the plasma. (For the plasma I will use Cap70?s circuit)
3. Find the correct pressure to drive the piston down and up. Xbox shows that 35psi goes to 70psi, and 40psi goes to 160psi; again, I will have to do experiments to find the proper combination.

Please let me know if my reasoning is correct. I will try this experiment this weekend and post my results.

And please excuse my English.

Juan

Judging  from  how  fast  the  pressure  goes back up  in the  video   I would say that it probably  will work .

I  think   that it  would have a very narrow  band of  speeds  that  it would work at . ......  the timing  of the  implosion  can't  be  changed much ......

I also  think that  the implosion  effect will be much less  with a hot  engine.


I would  say that   it would be  a really cool   proof of concept   project  ......but I don't think  there would  be anough power  to do much with .   


gary

[plasmastudent77]

Hi all,

I am wondering - we have been using a single spark plug designed for easily combustable liquid fuel.
What if with a minor modification, we could actually make the water engine more efective?

In studying the Papp engine it seems to me its a heavily disguised water engine already.

http://www.rexresearch.com/papp/2pappats.htm#4428193 
See Fig 4,5 & 6

Note the size of the "spark plugs" - there are 4 OF THEM. And they are hemispherical.

And they are twice the size of normal spark plugs.

Maybe these are needed to put enough enegry into the water to maximise the contact area with the water vapour and provide a nice symetric combustion space by bringing the electrical ignitiers close to the piston..............

How to do this:

(1) get an old lawn mower ( a 2 stroke will do for proof of concept at this stage )
(2) Remove the head ( they dont have valves so this is easy )
(3) Buy 3 peices of 1/2 inch steel plates to make a new head - weld the the 3 bits together one of top of each other so you have a 1 1/2 inch thick head.
(4) Get a drill and drill 2 ( or 4 ) holes and mount a couple of rough hemisphere "spark plugs" - make sure the plugs are out of the way when the piston is at the top of its stroke.
(5) Mount new head on the engine and test.

Since water needs a good nudge to get it to crack, maybe this might be the transfer mechanism we need.

I dont have the mechanical ability to test this, but its worth looking at - even if we replaced the existing head with a single 1/2 steel plate and tap in 4 holes and install 4 standard spark plugs so they all fire at the same time so we have 4 times the energy delivery to the water..

Cheers

Steve.

[plasmastudent77]

Double post

[plasmastudent77]

Sorry....double post.......

[gotoluc]

Hi all,

I am wondering - we have been using a single spark plug designed for easily combustable liquid fuel.
What if with a minor modification, we could actually make the water engine more efective?

In studying the Papp engine it seems to me its a heavily disguised water engine already.

http://www.rexresearch.com/papp/2pappats.htm#4428193 
See Fig 4,5 & 6

Note the size of the "spark plugs" - there are 4 OF THEM. And they are hemispherical.

And they are twice the size of normal spark plugs.

Maybe these are needed to put enough enegry into the water to maximise the contact area with the water vapour and provide a nice symetric combustion space by bringing the electrical ignitiers close to the piston..............

How to do this:

(1) get an old lawn mower ( a 2 stroke will do for proof of concept at this stage )
(2) Remove the head ( they dont have valves so this is easy )
(3) Buy 3 peices of 1/2 inch steel plates to make a new head - weld the the 3 bits together one of top of each other so you have a 1 1/2 inch thick head.
(4) Get a drill and drill 2 ( or 4 ) holes and mount a couple of rough hemisphere "spark plugs" - make sure the plugs are out of the way when the piston is at the top of its stroke.
(5) Mount new head on the engine and test.

Since water needs a good nudge to get it to crack, maybe this might be the transfer mechanism we need.

I dont have the mechanical ability to test this, but its worth looking at - even if we replaced the existing head with a single 1/2 steel plate and tap in 4 holes and install 4 standard spark plugs so they all fire at the same time so we have 4 times the energy delivery to the water..

Cheers

Steve.

Hi Steve, a topic parallel to this one was started by Tishatang on the Papp engine which can be found here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5154.new;topicseen#new

You are correct in your thinking. 4 weeks ago I started building a clear Lexan engine to test many of these things but I had to put it aside because of a renovation contract. I am now done and back this weekend to continue the building. The engine will not have an intake or exhaust. I should have a video demo at the end of next week.

Stay tuned.

Luc