URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[nightlife]

For those who are not getting much for a explosion, I would try using negatively charged water and then test your explosion levels again.

I would also like to know if you all are testing the explosions under a compression and if so, you may want to raise the compression levels until you find the one that works best. The average engine compression ratio may not be high enough when using water as a fuel.

[gotoluc]

Hi all

Im new here so go easy on me 

I saw the circuit yesterday, bought all the stuff from maplin. The circuit is based on gotoluc simplified circuit as posted on page 1

The parts are :

2x 1,000uF 200V capacitors (pull from an old PC ATX PSU)
Wipac CL300 ignition coil (not sure what car is for, I bought the cheapest)
6x 1N5408 diodes
12V power relay
240-110VAC transformer (45W UK-USA converter)
KBPC35-04 bridge rectifier

Im just basically charging the capacitor by energizing the relay coil, on release the charge is dumped into the ignition coil.

I was originally using a 47uF 400V capacitor but that didnt do much. So I used 2 of those, result got better. I finally decided to pull out the 2 caps from the old ATX PSU I had lying around, used short thick speaker cables together with the power relay. Finally a big bang and lots of purple flash is produced, it started to hurt my eyes after a couple of tries, I have to turn my back when firing.

So far so good, next step is to spray water, that made the sound much more snappier and bigger orange flash. Sounds good, I can definately hear explosion there.

Spraying the sparks with water sometimes drown it and refuse to spark, here comes a small fog machine for consistent results. Immersed in a polystyrene cup with water, made 2 holes to pass the nails.

The fog machine create a small fountain and sometimes hit the nails so I had to cover it such that only the mist get to the nails, again excellent results. Ignore the red light thats comming the fog machines LED.

I wasnt convince its creating explosion, place a small strip of polystyrene just above the nails, bang, big orange flash,  piece of polystrene did not move. 

Next step, I use a syringe, put 2 enameled copper wire through and sealed with plastic glue then gap the wires inside accordingly. Fill it with mist, then compress it. same results, nothing moves. Sound like massive explosion but definately nothing is happening there.

I was so excited to build the electronics for it, I feel that I cant move on until Im convinced a real explosion is happening.



Am I missing something here?

In the mean time, Ill be doing more reading and testing.

Hi Chris31,

thank you for posting your results, observations and pictures of your setup which looks very good. Great job there

@everyone,

today I see many of you sharing very similar results. You are observing an explosion event when water is added but cannot seem to be able to measure an explosive pressure.

We are not yet understanding why this is since since most of us don't have a million dollar lab to test with. We know the spark process is very quick and some are quite convinced that as quickly as it explodes it will also implode.

It has also been observed that the water and spark event stays cold. So if we know water will expand with heat and the process stays cold we could conclude that there would be no expansion results.

What we need to do is change our thinking. We all want a quick fix for our combustion engines and are too focus on just that. I can tell you that combustion engines are killing our World and you know that. So if we know that, then why not try and think of other ways to use this effect? I'm not saying that I have the answers because I don't. All what I do is share what I find and ask you do the same. By doing this maybe someone could think or accidentally hit on a great use for this effect.

I have proposed and I am building at this time (well not right now since I'm writing this message, right!) a half GEET plasma combustion engine with great hope that by emulsifying the water with some fuel and the plasma spark should give a very good results in a combustion engine.

How many of you have submitted a proposal to use this effect since you have built the circuit and had time to observe the effect???...How many of you have looked at goldenequity new topic on emulsifying water and fuel???... How many of you have seen this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI54ZQqw5Ps&feature=related  ?...How many of you have read this post: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.msg123291.html#msg123291 ?...How many of you understand understand what the hell Luc is talking about?... How many of you want to cut home heating and car fuel consumption by 50% or more?

So lets use what we have (plasma spark) and expand with what is proposed! or propose your own ideas.

If you chose to conclude that there is no expansion pressure and therefore an ICE won't work with this spark circuit and decide to move on to another topic!... then I'll tell you your attitude is what has and will keep us where we are. I'll also tell you that to move on will bring you no better fruit.

A wise man once told me....If you are looking for water and start digging a well and after some time you find no water and decide to start digging at another place and so on, how can you expect to find water? ...It is only when you have steady faith and stick to the task that you will reach the water.

Understand our Nature and you will reap its benefits.

I will be building the engine for the next 3 days and not moderating the tread.

Luc

[gotoluc]

hi Luc

thanks for the kind words - i'm glad to help if i can

not really sure that i have much to offer, but as the other guys pointed out to you & me earlier there is a close similarity in this particular part of your switching circuit between our two projects (although they're being used in very different applications)

...sorry for the confusion over some of those circuit details above

i used 2R to indicate 2 ohms (i don't have the ohms symbol)

yes, the coil wind is exactly as you describe - "not nicely wound next to each wire row by row like a coil  ...somewhat loose and just quickly wound like if you would wind twine on a stick"

it's not mechanically loose tho' because i tape between each layer (about 4 or 5 turns per layer - the ferrite is only 20mm long approx) so i get a short fat coil

i've tried various hand-wound coils and the most important factor - for my test - is that the copper resistance stays low (just a few ohms) - i used random-wind method just to reduce the coil capacitance - i only want to store mag-field energy in the coil which i can then reclaim with the flyback diode (D2)

i haven't done any tests yet to compare the efficiency of the random-wound coil with my tight-wound coils - they seem mostly equivalent so it hasn't been an issue so far

however, the coil i need is small compared to the one you're using - so it may make a much bigger difference in your application if the coils is tight-wound or random-wound

it's the sort of thing you can test after optimising the rest of the circuit operation - then you can go back & just change that one thing and see if your 'optimal' results get worse or improve


the example info inside the brackets relates to the parameters i mentioned outside the brackets: "my inductor/voltage parameters" - so the / 8V just gives the "voltage" part of that pair of parameters (no division involved)

i mentioned the voltage in my circuit example because my application doesn't use the high voltages that the water-plasma experiment needs and so my particular 'charge' time should be seen as relevant only to my low-voltage circuit - your optimal time may turn out to be very different due to either difference in inductance or difference in voltage levels

thanks for the heads-up on the confusion over my info - hope this makes it easier to see what i was trying to say 

all the best
sandy
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site  http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc

Thank you once again Sandy for taking the time to make every detail so very clear.

Cheers

Luc

[plasmastudent77]

Hi Luc,

I agree.......if we go "C'est La Vie" and move on, nothing will happen.

A while ago I proposed using 4 spark plugs per cylinder ( only for experimental purposes at this stage ) to see if an increased delivery of energy might be enough to kick of a sustained detonation that would produce enough energy to move a piston.

While sitting here musing on this, I wondered about the step wave form that Meyer had, and I wonder if we could replicate that using 4 plugs firing one after enough in sequence ( i.e. each plug fires as if it were a "step" ), if that might be enough to smash the bonds betweenm the water molecules. Its a bit brute force, but worth looking at.

I was going to replace the old cylinder head of my old mower with 1/2 inch plate steel plate and drill and tap 4 holes for 4 spark plugs and fire them altogether and then work ont he stepping circuit which would just be 4 copies of the same circuit or maybe 4 caps all connected via timing circuitry.

I think firing all 4 plugs at the same time first is worth looking at.

Luc I also like the idea of the GEET/water hybrid. I think the GEET step is really the "softening up" process to hopefully lower the energy threshold to get the water to burn.

[Dread]

Setup:
Similar to Aaron / P. Linderman.
Supply 130V from variac.
Primary Cap 80uf 330V
Enhanced Caps 100uf 400V x 4
Ignition Frequency 1Hz.

1.Results using Nebulizer:

Very small reaction, compared with "sprayed" water. Luckily, I had a nebulizer lying around. I even tried it with electrolyte. Same result.

2. Results from sprayed electrolyte.

Increased explosive force compared to tap water. Heat, (pressure tests later today I hope) but huge problems with arcing within the tube, due to increased conductivity on surface between electrodes. 

3. Results from connecting spark anode and cathode to 2 x 3''x3'' electrolysis plates submerged in electrolyte.

Considerable HHO production. I will try to feed HHO with sprayed water into the pressure tester and measure pressure change.

Xbox, if you are reading this, can you confirm your supply power voltage, cap values and approx. volume of your cannon,  when you did similar tests?

@ everyone. Pressure differential is the be all and end all. No pressure differential, no ICE.

Thanks
D.