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[Aka]

I have been trying to think of some more designs for spark plugs that could be tested and while I was playing around with some HHO gen designs I realised that neutral plates are often used but for spark plugs we just spark over the one gap and thats it... I don't know if anyone has tried to use neutral plates with this circuit or what is expected to happen so I wanted to find out

now if we connected two spark plugs to the same circuit that would create a neutral path between them? and does it change anything voltage wise? or the effect?

when I did a simple test for a HHO setup I used two containers filled with salt water, one container had the + voltage (13V DC 6amp) and the other had the - and the only connection between the two containers was a stainless steel rod... the negative side went brown and the positive side was clear, I measured the voltage between the neutral rod and the connections and the negative side was higher voltage (I forget the voltage but it was something like 8v on the neg and 4 volts on the pos)

whatever this high voltage circut is doing to the water to produce the larger spark having two chambers may give different results like the HHO setup did? who knows?

anyway here are two designs for new plugs that would use this neutral plate setup (but a simple experiment could be done with 2 spark gaps, no need to actually make these, they are just showing the idea)

[gotoluc]

@everyone,

the below in blue is a post by User: smw1998a of the Energetic Forum. He just posted this report after building and studying the effect of the circuit for the past month. His work is impeccable and deserves all our applause and praises.

Here are also all his 4 videos demonstrate the effect with some that have excellent scope shots.

No. 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEfQUZJyrok

No. 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdxBbb-tR3s

No. 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-YtAX6j_hg

No. 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7QmzePtUeU


Hello All,

I have been thinking hard on this one Further study of scope traces have provided me with a better insight into what the effect actually is. I was wrong about the reduced resistance, it?s actually far more simple than that.

My scope shows that my secondary coil rises to spark 20uS after the SCR conducts. During this time my capacitor drops from 200v to 180v. Before the voltage on the secondary winding gets high enough to arc across the gap there is only one path for the energy stored on the capacitor to get to ground, through the primary winding.

The addition of the diode in the circuit does a very simple thing. Once the arc has formed, the energy stored in the capacitor has a new path to ground via the HV diode and the arc. There is so little resistance in this new circuit path that it is as good as a dead short across the capacitor terminals. CRACK A disruptive capacitor discharge straight to ground.

The poor ignition coil has had 20v (200v to 180v) dropped across the primary winding in barely 20uS. There is just enough voltage on the secondary to arc across the gap and CRACK? No more energy in the capacitor to deliver to the primary winding and drive the voltage up in the secondary to maintain the arc. The ignition coil has had the rug well and truly pulled from under its feet. Being a coil with a sudden loss of current, the magnetic field collapses. There was so little energy stored in the magnetic field of the coil at the time the capacitor shorted its energy across the gap that the BEMF is insignificant.

There are a few significant points here. The diode/s are important because they have to hold back a reverse voltage as the secondary rises into the KV range before there is enough voltage to create the arc. Once the arc appears it is like shorting a 200v capacitor out with a diode, anode to positive cathode the negative. Increasing the voltage on the capacitor to over 300volts, assuming the cap can handle it, will not stress the ignition coil with the HV diodes in place. It may, however, increase plug ware no end.

With increased voltage on the capacitor you will have a very violent discharge across the arc. Due to the fact that the capacitor shorts across the arc as soon as it is formed the duration of the spark event is very short, much shorter than a standard HT spark.

I have wondered where all the apparent energy came from. When I drove the ignition coil inductively via a 555 timer and transistors, that circuit used almost 4 Amps and everything got hot. My batteries got battered by that circuit and I was plagued with transistor failures.

My current circuit does what it does on 1 amp@ 12v. I have managed to squeeze a frequency of 48Hz out of my charge pump, charging the cap to 200v. Although the charge pump transistor does get warm, nothing else does and other than initial 7555 failures, I have not lost a component on this circuit after many hours of testing.

All The best Lee?

[gotoluc]

hi Luc

apologies for late reply, i've been away for a few days

> Hi Sandy, are you saying we use the top of the piston as our ground Electrode?

yes - i'm just wondering if this is why we're not seeing much evidence of an explosive force around the plasma on contact with the water: because the force is along the current - and usually the spark occurs between the two rigidly fixed electrodes of a commercial spark plug

i appreciate what Gary is saying about oil insulation and piston/cylinder pitting - i'm not suggesting that sparking to the piston is an acceptable end-solution - just that we try to fully understand what is really happening with this effect before dropping it because it seems like a dead-end

a new method of applying force may require a new method of capturing it (eg. direct drive onto 'flywheel' type crank from multiple discharges?)

ok, perhaps unsuitable for direct ICE application, but could we miss discovering a new drive technology as a result?

just a thought

all the best
sandy

Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site:  http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc

Hi Sandy,

thanks for all the good points   As you see we still have tests to do even if it fails to use this with an ICE. At this time I'm busy with the tuning and testing of the circuit on my half GEET plasma engine. So if anyone want to test Sandy's suggestion please let us know and do report your finding! good or bad as we need to find what to do with this effect.

If no one replies then I will out it on my things to test list that I will address if all fails with my present engine.

Thanks Sandy for your most excellent sharing and ideas

Luc

[gotoluc]

This 100 Ohm Resitors are to high !
Will burn !!
about 5 ohms is ok
PESE

Hi Pese,

thanks for keeping an eye and helping with the topic

Luc

[Dave45]

just thinking lightening doesn't explode water it implodes I would think otherwise the clouds would explode