URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[gotoluc]

Well it turns out the other electronic retail store have more selection in stock!... but one would needs lots of cash.

They want $32.00 for a NTE5558 800v 25a  and $16.00 for a 800v 10a

And they won't pay me for gas to drive to the other end of town either

Looks like eBay is the way for my zero budget

Luc

[gotoluc]

@everyone,

below is a pictures of Greg's and then Jetijs's (Energetic Forum user name: gmeast and Jetijs) 2:1 gear assembly for removing the waste spark on their ICE Generators which they are converting to plasma spark. I like Greg's simple solution of a difficult situation since the engine had no accessible areas to install a gear, so he used the end of the generator side shaft. Not too sure where Jetijs will be installing his finely machined polycarbonate gears.

Great work Greg and Jetijs, thanks for sharing.

Luc

[UncleFester]

UncleFester,

The main energy to the spark plug does NOT come from the CDI circuit. It is coming from the Inverter.
If you increase C10 (in my circuit drawing) then you increase the energy going to the plug. Also,
if you increase the voltage to the inverter you get the same result. To increase the inverter output
voltage just use a voltage doubler. I will probably use a home made transformer on the inverter
that gives me approx. 600 volt AC. The TIC106D can be replaced with any type of SCR as long as
the drive resistors on the opto coupler is changed to give the correct trigger current. Looking forward
to hear your results with your motors.

Groundloop.

@GroundLoop

I understand, that is why I am using a system similar to Luc's. It is a variac into a microwave transformer, then FWB. I have been able to go up to 2KV @ 1uF, but I use a spark gap to discharge the cap at these voltages. I can go all the way up to 1000V @ 50uF (25 joules) by using the SCR. My SCR setup makes the SCR handle the entire discharge current of the cap (capacitor is parallel to the primary of the coil and diode string and SCR is series on the Anode side of the circuit). With an HV relay I can go all the way up to 400 joules discharge but the rep rate is slow (although only one pulse almost destroys the plug). Every time the coil fires it jumps about 2mm off the table from the inductive kick, and the diode strings I use barely handle the output (I use 25-1N5408's in series, and two strings of them in parallel for more current).

I used your circuit with the cap in series with the primary of the coil but I could not get enough energy across the plug to explode water. I beefed up all the components to handle higher voltages and currents and it exploded water then but I still did not get enough energy to create high pressures in a closed chamber. 5 or more Joules is needed and even then the pressure created from exploding the water is not more than 5-10 psi per pulse and we need more like 75 psi per pulse to drive a small engine I believe.

@GotoLuc

I paid 12 a piece for the 1200V @ 25A ones in Salt lake City, UT. Not sure why they would be that much more expensive there unless these were NOS (new old stock).

[Groundloop]

UncleFester,

OK. I understand what you are trying to do and in your case you probably need that high energy.

In my case I only need a little more energy than a normal spark because I do not want exploding
water, I want exploding Brown gas. Then I will use water injection as cooling. My first attempt
will use regular petrol (gas) but with the motor in a lean configuration. When I lean the gas/air mixture the
motor gets hotter. To keep the heat down I will inject water. Then maybe it will be possible to run the motor
with much less gas usage? My main problem is to find space for the water injector.

Groundloop.

[UncleFester]

UncleFester,

OK. I understand what you are trying to do and in your case you probably need that high energy.

In my case I only need a little more energy than a normal spark because I do not want exploding
water, I want exploding Brown gas. Then I will use water injection as cooling. My first attempt
will use regular petrol (gas) but with the motor in a lean configuration. When I lean the gas/air mixture the
motor gets hotter. To keep the heat down I will inject water. Then maybe it will be possible to run the motor
with much less gas usage? My main problem is to find space for the water injector.

Groundloop.

The finer the fuel is vaporized the cooler it will run. Bob Krupa was running a Ford V-8 at more then 30:1 with plasma ignition and it ran cooler because there is no heat soaking of the cylinder walls from the secondary flame. Also, the engine was on the dyno and it showd 125 horsepower gain and 70 percent better mileage because more of the fuel was being used to drive the pistons. You don't want any flame, only an explosion at the firing of the plasma plug. This is why GEET combined with plasma ignition is king. Exhaust temps should drop by 50 degrees or more. With water injection added you should cool down by 100 degrees or more using plasma and lean mixtures. It goes opposite to combustion engineering which states that you want more fuel to cool the engine down, but then, you have an engine dumping most of it's fuel in partially unburnt state out the tailpipe, we don't want that 

Look at this video and notice how much flame and how much is going out the tailpipe on exhaust. Flame is happening still even when the exhaust valve is OPEN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz31eCym2iQ