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[djzissis]

Hi everyone,

The VexUs circuit somehow generates a huge spike that fools the inverter electronics into thinking there is a short circuit. I have been using a cheap 400 Watt inverter with no real internal protection.

I have exceeded my all-time record and can proudly say I have fried three inverter in one day ... beat that ... $40.00 a pop!

I'm trying to get a scope picture of the phenomenon while running on wall AC. Don't ruin any inverters you guys before I find a fix. It is a basic issue. Like has been said, there is so little current draw in this circuit that it can only be how the HV DC is being introduced. It may be an RF level phenomenon which can be shielded. There is some indication that a spike is frying the CMOS circuitry.

I'm also going to build a "dumb" 3055 transistor oscillator for the HV pump ... probably use voltage doubler ladders to get the voltage.

We'll get it. Input welcome. Peace,

Greg

Hi Greg!!

How?? A few days ago you showed us with your videos on the bug and on the bench that it is working very fine!!
Also what is a spike, and how can it be created since we have an isolation transformer?


Thanks,
Zissis

[gmeast]

Hi Greg!!

How?? A few days ago you showed us with your videos on the bug and on the bench that it is working very fine!!
Also what is a spike, and how can it be created since we have an isolation transformer?


Thanks,
Zissis

Hi Zis,

A "spike" can be either a high amplitude power or RF transients.  A severe enough RF transient can destroy electronics like power FETS and CMOS components ... a part of modern modified wave inverters.

As you recall, the circuit was sitting outside the Bug and yes I did use the inverter that was already installed in the Bug I used on the straight-up plasma CDI circuit.  The only difference  - I used single HV diodes instead of multiple, parallel diodes.  Also, the circuit elements were spread out and not neatly arranged and hooked up on a power strip.  These factors may play a part. 

I do know the only circuit that has never failed to perform is my solid state version of the original Gotoluc / Lindemann / Aaron water spark plug circuit ... from way, way, back.

But I'm dedicated to understanding the recent phenomenon completely and fixing it because the circuit is so reliable, simple, scalable, cheap, etc.

Peace,

Greg

[gmeast]

Here are the application notes >

http://www.vishay.com/diodes/protection-tvs-esd/trans-zorb/related


This is what you really need >>>

http://www.vishay.com/docs/88439/typtvsap.pdf

I would go for TVS rather than MOVs. I blew a massive MOV but TVS survived.

Check out figure 2, thats what you need. I would also put a uni-TVS across the rectified output like the one shown on figure 1.

Inserting a surge protected power strip in between the inverter and the plasma circuit might do the trick.

Hi Chris31,

Thanks for the above,

Greg

[djzissis]

Hi Zis,

A "spike" can be either a high amplitude power or RF transients.  A severe enough RF transient can destroy electronics like power FETS and CMOS components ... a part of modern modified wave inverters.

Ok....!! I got that..!!

As you recall, the circuit was sitting outside the Bug and yes I did use the inverter that was already installed in the Bug I used on the straight-up plasma CDI circuit.  The only difference  - I used single HV diodes instead of multiple, parallel diodes.  Also, the circuit elements were spread out and not neatly arranged and hooked up on a power strip.  These factors may play a part. 

So, from what I understand, using the parts and the circuit as spreaded out as in your video, and using single HV diodes, it will work fine??

If then why don't we magnetically isolate everything, and put them all together? 

I do know the only circuit that has never failed to perform is my solid state version of the original Gotoluc / Lindemann / Aaron water spark plug circuit ... from way, way, back.

Do you mean the one using the relays?

But I'm dedicated to understanding the recent phenomenon completely and fixing it because the circuit is so reliable, simple, scalable, cheap, etc.

Awaiting any update!!

Peace,

Greg

Silly questions for sure, but it is hard for me to understand electronics.
Really thank you!!

Zissis

[jstadwater]

Just ordered the TVS diodes, 2nd day delivery. I hope this works for us, now the bad part...........waiting for them to arrive so I can install into the circuit! Thanks guys, for such a quick response with a possible solution for our inverter issues. You guys are the best!!


Thanks............................... Mike