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[demios]

I don't know if I should post this since I have concepts instead of experience, which is not so great, to be honest. But, anyway, this is how I understood the process of "piggy-backing" the standard spark (If I am wrong, please correct me, I don't want to confuse the people with my misunderstandings):

Camshaft constantly rotates the distributor shaft, and, consequently, distributor arm (we all know this is the case with most of the cars - those who have rotor arms). Before the rotor arm makes contact with one of the points, electricity in the primary winding of the ignition coil is cutoff, in order to induce high voltage pulse in the secondary winding, and that HV pulse travels through our HV spark cables to the spark plug itself and creates spark, which in turn ignites the fuel mixture.

Since this HV pulse is very similar (in it's behavior) to the capacitor dumping it's complete charge across the spark plug electrodes, we can apply so called "piggy-back" spark enhancement method on both ignition systems - CDI and coil. The charge is jumping across the electrodes, and in a short amount of time it is depleted and the spark disappears. This means that "piggy-back" method kicks in when the charge, in the automobile's standard ignition system, is reduced below the value of our dump capacitor C1. In the case of gmeast's setup the dump capacitor C1 is 410V @ 3uF (Charge Q: 1.23m Coulombs, Energy E: 252.15m Joules).

I thought we might consider making 2, 3 or 4 parallel circuits, of the same basic design, but of different power ratings:

First one to dump the charge would be the highest rated circuit, after it discharges, the second circuit would automatically kick in and release it's charge. In the end the third circuit would do the same. The downsides of this approach are multiple components (higher cost, more room for malfunctions and human error) and ever decreasing power of piggy-back spark.

If multiple spark proves to be very difficult to create, maybe we should use 60.000 Volt race ignition coils (like Krupa does), because they're "plug and play" easy to install, low resistance ignition cables + very simple CDI system (of course with Firestorms).

I know that, at this point our holy grail is multiple spark, since it will cause much less deterioration of plug material, but I am somewhat doubtful about it's feasibility. What are your thoughts on this?

[alpeko]

Hello everybody on forum.I am new on forum.First of all,sorry for my english.I am from country were is Nikola Tesla born,Serbia.I am telecomm eng. and member of many yahoo groups.My primary job is cable satellite instalations.I read all of 256 pages of messages,and see all videos on Youtube.

Thank you very much to: Luc,Gmeast,and others who build and test Vehus plasma circuit.

On yours topics I see two types of plasma spark ignition.

1. C.D.I  capacitive discharge ignition,no powering HV coil with 12 V.Only discharge 1-3uF cap,to primary of ignition coil.Diode bank using for protect invertor or oscilator ,and add 300 V for plasma.

2.Clasic ignition,with 12 V powering HV coil,and 300 V with diodes for plasma.This second way not working with inverters,without isolating transformer.

Because I am new on this forum,I want litle help for non technical members.
I have many pwm switching mode schematic,and modern chips schematic,for automotive ignition.
On this link is good explanation of ignition principes:

http://www.jetav8r.com/Vision/Ignition/CDI.html

In my laboratory I tested many modern chips and all work very well .One simplest schematic is ,with UC-3845 and IRFZ 44 modern fet transistor and small feritte transformator.For discharge Cap.may use thyristor.On gate going triger from pickup coil,breaker contact or hall sensor.

In many modern inverter use simillar chips.Oscilator in inverter running on hundred kilohertz,and transformator is much smaller then 50 or 60Hz.After trans,have diodes and 400 V cap.This diodes is In FWB.,negative point is on ground !!!!! On this point solder positive wire.Negative solder on ground PCB.Second oscilator chip and bank of transistors not use.This is for convert dc 300 V to home frequency ( 50 or 60 Hz). This is no need for exp.In empty invertor space must acomodate CDI capacitor...

This is all for begining...

If need help for technical explanation,don't hesitate to contact me.

Telecomm eng: Kole

Belgrade, Serbia

[alpeko]

Hello,

This is explanation for simple circuit:


This DC-DC converter charges a 1uF capacitor at 250 volt in aprox. 1 msec. This theorically lets the CDI spark near 1000 times per second, 60,000 rpm in a single cylinder engine (1 spark per rev), 30,000 rpm rpm in a 4 cylinder engine (1 spark each 2 revs per cylinder).

Energy performance is about 85%. For example, at 12,000 rpm in a single-cylinder engine, with a 50 mJ load is equivalent to 12000/60*0.05=10 watt, with 85% performance it is equivalent to 11.8 W (1 amp)

This inverter uses a SMPS (switching mode power supply) oscillator to convert from 12 volt to 200-300 volt range. It uses the flyback topology instead of typical forward converter. When the MOSFET is activated the transformer begins to accumulate magnetic flux and a negative pulse is present (and not used) at the secondary coil.
When MOSFET is turned off, the magnetic energy stored inside transformer is converted to a positive pulse in the primary coil (and not used), close 50 volt, and thus is multiplied by the transformer ratio in the secondary (close 300 volt). This high voltage pulse is used to charge the CDI's capacitor through a high speed schottky diode.

Flyback topology lets a wider range for transformation better than forward conerter, by changing the duty cycle. In addition it prevents the "short-circuit" effect while the capacitor is not yet loaded. As in CDI schematic capacitor is continuously charging and discharging, performance is very bad with a standard forward converter. While voltage inside capacitor is low, the transformer is sawn as a shorcitcuit by the mosfet, dissipating a lot of heat.

The SMPS oscillator has two inputs:

Voltage feedback is used to reach the desired voltage, when voltage in capacitor divided in the potentiometer reachs the reference voltage, the oscillator stops.
Current sense input is normally used to control the maximum current in the mosfet. It depends on transformer inductance and oscillator frequency, but not on load.
Here, this input is used to temporary switch-off the power supply while the PIC activates the SCR to discharge capacitor. When line is 0 volt, the oscillator is ON, when line is higher than 1 volt, oscillator stops. This is done for two reasons:

1. To increase power economy, all power supplied during discharging is wasted.
2. SCR needs the current to be zero to self-disconnect. If power supply stills active, risk of permanent SCR activation exists.

Power stored in capacitor is a function of V and Capacity: E (jules)= V^2 * C.

For example: for 1uF capacitor, charged at 250 volt, E = 0.0625 J = 62.5 mJ.

Values around 50 mJ are standard, values higher than 50 mJ are high power

The last 1N4007 diode is necessary to load the capacitor with the current provided by the transformer. Please note that this current is high frequency and the small 22n capacitor at the left side of the cap. is needed to convert the high frequency of the transformer to DC because the 1N4007 diode is slow.

Kole - Serbia

[gmeast]

Hello everybody on forum.I am new on forum.First of all,sorry for my english.I am from country were is Nikola Tesla born,Serbia.I am telecomm eng. and member of many yahoo groups.My primary job is cable satellite instalations.I read all of 256 pages of messages,and see all videos on Youtube.

Thank you very much to: Luc,Gmeast,and others who build and test Vehus plasma circuit.

On yours topics I see two types of plasma spark ignition.

1. C.D.I  capacitive discharge ignition,no powering HV coil with 12 V.Only discharge 1-3uF cap,to primary of ignition coil.Diode bank using for protect invertor or oscilator ,and add 300 V for plasma.

2.Clasic ignition,with 12 V powering HV coil,and 300 V with diodes for plasma.This second way not working with inverters,without isolating transformer.

Because I am new on this forum,I want litle help for non technical members.
I have many pwm switching mode schematic,and modern chips schematic,for automotive ignition.
On this link is good explanation of ignition principes:

http://www.jetav8r.com/Vision/Ignition/CDI.html

In my laboratory I tested many modern chips and all work very well .One simplest schematic is ,with UC-3845 and IRFZ 44 modern fet transistor and small feritte transformator.For discharge Cap.may use thyristor.On gate going triger from pickup coil,breaker contact or hall sensor.

In many modern inverter use simillar chips.Oscilator in inverter running on hundred kilohertz,and transformator is much smaller then 50 or 60Hz.After trans,have diodes and 400 V cap.This diodes is In FWB.,negative point is on ground !!!!! On this point solder positive wire.Negative solder on ground PCB.Second oscilator chip and bank of transistors not use.This is for convert dc 300 V to home frequency ( 50 or 60 Hz). This is no need for exp.In empty invertor space must acomodate CDI capacitor...

This is all for begining...

If need help for technical explanation,don't hesitate to contact me.

Telecomm eng: Kole

Belgrade, Serbia

Hi alpeko.

Welcome and yes you are correct.  The VexUs circuit is an adaptation of Luc's original Water Sparkplug observation and prototype circuit.  The original Luc circuit was a full isolation system ... charge a cap, isolate cap, discharge cap to coil, start over.  This needs HV power SPDP switching to run.  I built one and it works but only for 200 VDC.  The VexUs is intended to ''piggyback" onto existing coil and use the standard ignition spark as the switch or conduit for the cap to initiate discharge through ... the HV diodes force the path to the spark plug instead of the easier path to ground.  Because the VexUs circuit has only one hard electrical point to tie to it needs the isolation transformer to avoid conflicts with the inverter ground ... but it blows them up anyway ... so I use a dedicated oscillator instead ... it doesn't blow up (no CMOS .. only dumb transistors).

Again, welcome & thanks for post. Peace,

Greg

[jenkins25]

Hello everybody!!!

I´m new on forum and sorry for my english,I´m from spain.Since times ago I read the forum and it is very interesting and so thanks to everyone who helps the people and shows the great job you done.I have buyed one Honda CBR 1000 F "hurricane"  1989 with electric failure for mi tests.This bike has reluctor pickup (I seems that fails) TCI OKI and two double ignition coils(4 cilinders) with 3.2ohms each. I´m not electronics, but I would make one CDI plasma spark ignition for mi bike (10000 rpm and electronic advance timing) and test it with water, hho, mist...
So, the question is how begin,for example, is possible to adapt  one hall sensor like gmeast bug,because my reluctor pickup is in contact  with motor oil and I don´t know if hall sensor with oil will be ok.
One pictures my old CBR 1000 . Thanks.