URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[vlpe]

HI all

why use inverter if the current is being rectified just after the inverter??

[goldenequity]

@ everyone
I did in fact burn my retina from welding arc (still remember the pain!).... If you should happen to get careless and experience some piercing pain in the eyeballs, this works to ease the pain (fairly quickly)... take a raw potato and shred it as a poultice ... lay back in a darkened room close your eyes and put a handful over both eyes.  (Like putting raw hash browns over your eyes).  It works.

[billd]

Hello everyone,

   I have been reading your posts and I think you are going in the right direction.  I spent too much time building HHO generators and now believe plasma initiated water has the only hope of really working.
   More to the point of this thread,  the two sources of voltage need to function and be protected form each other since they sum at the spark plug.  The high voltage spike from the spark coil (SC) or magneto could damage the inverter and rectifier (IR) and unwanted current flow from the IR through the SC secondary or magneto could damage the SC or magneto and or burnout the IR itself.
    To protect the SC secondary & IR from over current without using diodes,  I propose a second spark gap between the SC top and the spark plug, a function supplied by the distributer, rotor and cap of older ICEs.  The IR current should not flow through the SC secondary ever but should only flow through the spark plug gap and for a few milliseconds after the SC initiating spark (controlling duration is a future issue) .   
   To protect the IR without high PIV diodes I propose a 3 element low pass filter (LPF).  A  isolation transformer is a form of LPF and would help protect an inverter but won't protect the bridge rectifier.  A single capacitor (one element LPF)  may protect the IR but could shunt the HV pulse.  But a series  inductor, shunt capacitor, series inductor (properly done) LPF would protect the IR without shunting the HV pulse.  A  LPF will also smooth the output of the IR.   . 
   Diodes can be used but I think you will find that commercial solid state is no match for the harsh ?under the hood? environment of a automobile.
   I have also been reading several S1r replicator posts and and for the what its worth file, some folks believe a hot engine is a necessity before fueling with water.
If I'm completly wrong about these proposals just disregard.
Billd

[callanan]

Hi Ossie,

I'm a non electronics person who has been keeping an eye on the watercar1978 forum for 2 years now, and of late this forum,and I am gathering parts to build the 9v batt circuit supplied earlier - once this is done and the circuit understood (by myself!) then the next stage would be to convert that circuit to this latest one that you have just posted.

As the Siggen is just being used to replicate the high speed firing of the ICE, is it a simple matter to replace that whole aspect of the circuitry with the pos & neg from the strobe being wired directly to the pos & neg of the coil and then the inverter circuit tied in to the neg of the coil and the coil output just as it is in the latest diagram?

I just want to try and prove my replication in stages and attempt to understand some electronic basics while I go.

Many thanks - Stu (from Northern Ireland)

Hi stu,

It is a good idea to build the simple strobe device and see and understand how it work. With the other circuit, the sig gen is simply to replicate an ICE firing the ignition coil. But if you are considering trying the strobe circuit on an ICE, it will not serve your purpose as it is only capable of charging it's capacitor up about once every second. It is only being powered by a 9V battery after all. The strobe device is simply a demonstration device to shown how easy it is to explode water with little input power.

Regards,

Ossie

[xbox hacker]

UPDATE:

So, i got bored with bench tests, i have tried many design and they all worked great! Bright plasma flame and a loud snap. 

I wanted to move on to the next logical step. So i got out the BS 13 hp mower. I took the plug wire on the engine and used it in place of my bench test automotive coil (same theory) NOTHING WORKED!!!! As it seems, every time the DC is hooked up to the top of the plug, i get NO arc of any kind!! Without the DC hooked up i get a normal ignition arc. I have even went as far as to make a voltage doubler to go from 110VDC to almost 290vdc. STILL NOTHING!! Every design gave the same results...NADA!

I also installed a ammeter between the inverter and the battery. When i try the setups on the mower the meter does not even move at all when the motor is turning over.

I am so lost now...