URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[xbox hacker]

Hey xbox,condolences on your tv.I was looking at your circuit diagram,what would happen if your coil wasnt grounded at the base of the plug?Could that possibly make any difference at all?

Thanx wopper for your kind thoughts....LOL Just one more thin i have to fix

ANYWAY..If it was not grounded...it would not arc at all. It seems to be a catch 22 i need ground for the HV and ground for the DC...but not both at the same time. 

[gotoluc]

Great job Gotoluc and Ossie,

Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l54wlbi0Szk

Not sure if you agree with the explanation, but the electroradiant event you have is fragmenting the heaviside flow away from the conductive wire.

Take care,
Aaron

Hi Aaron, thanks for doing this great video and posting it here for us to see. Your explanation sounds good we will hopefully all be looking at this.

Keep us updated and please feel free to copy my first page of this topic which I just updated the text and my simple schematic and please also include calanan's great posts to help spread this information at the Energetic Forum also.

Thanks

Luc

[greendoor]

Powering a car is going to be fraught with difficulty.  The water freezing issue could be a show stopper for many.  Then there is the rusting, and the bent con-rods when the cylinders hydraulic ...

Vehicle emmissions shouldn't be a big problem - but I expect a nasty backlash from government authorities, on whatever trumped up charges they can think of.

There might be easier solutions for putting this effect to use.  What about a water pump arrangement?  This could prove overunity, and be used to power conventional electric generators or heatpumps or compressors. 

I'm thinking a small pressure vessel with a couple of non-return valves as inlet and outlets.  An open-to-atmosphere gravity tank would maintain a head of pressure on this tank, to maintain a constant supply of water to this pressure vessel.  The spark plug would fire at timed intervals, and the blast would force water up a pipe to the gravity tank - perhaps through a turbine load. 

Although very simple, this could be very dangerous.  I would recommend building in a failsafe rupture disk - or a vent with some rubber hose that could blow in the event of an excessive pressure build up.  The device could be buried or housed in a concrete sheild or whatever.  I'm thinking generous pipe sizes - the idea to minimize the pressure and maximise the flow rate.  Very small sparks @ very low power, creating a big flow is going to impress people that overunity has ARRIVED!

A simple device like this could be replicated widely and put into agricultural use - the economic advantages would not be lost on most people who have to pay for the priviledge to pump water.  Maybe this could purify the water at the same time ...


EDIT Do we know if a completely submerged plug will fire?  If the theory is correct, the energy is from converting liquid water to vapour state.  That suggests that starting with vapour is wrong - can we start with liquid water?

If an air gap is actually required, a couple of probes in the pressure vessel could sense when water had refilled to a set level and trigger the spark ...

[tishatang]

@All
One problem in converting small ICE's,  is that they use a magneto system.  There is a permanent magnet embedded in the flywheel.  This allows only a small change in timing for most of these engines.  There is no distributor to twist to get a 25  degree retard of timing.  To get proper timing with these engines you could collect the magneto discharge into a high voltage cap and discharge the cap with an optical sensor or something you can adjust on the output shaft.  Or, since you have to have an external timing sensor, you may as well use a conventional ignition coil and forget the magneto and dangerous to have charged HV cap. 

I am not a motorcycle guy, But I seem to remember my son's old Honda had coils and a distributor.  If so, then maybe motorcycle engines solve the timing problem?

Tishatang

[greendoor]

@All
One problem in converting small ICE's,  is that they use a magneto system.  There is a permanent magnet embedded in the flywheel.  This allows only a small change in timing for most of these engines.  There is no distributor to twist to get a 25  degree retard of timing.  To get proper timing with these engines you could collect the magneto discharge into a high voltage cap and discharge the cap with an optical sensor or something you can adjust on the output shaft.  Or, since you have to have an external timing sensor, you may as well use a conventional ignition coil and forget the magneto and dangerous to have charged HV cap. 

I am not a motorcycle guy, But I seem to remember my son's old Honda had coils and a distributor.  If so, then maybe motorcycle engines solve the timing problem?

Tishatang

Nothing that some electronics couldn't fix.  The pulse from the magneto could be used to just as a timing pulse.  I believe this system will require more Retarded timing, which can be achieved with a small time delay.  If Advance is required, an even longer time delay would give a phase shift of slightly less than 360 degrees which achieves the same thing.  The trick is to make the time delay track the RPM - but nothing that some electronics couldn't solve.