URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[bumfuzzled]

Hi bumfuzzled,

Please see the last circuit and results I posted as follows:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.msg109796.html#msg109796

I have run this circuit up to 100Hz with no problems. At 70Hz it only uses 5 amps at 12V on the inverter's input. The inverter was delivering only 60 watts where it is designed to deliver up to 300 watts continuously. I know you have been blowing up inverters and are trying to do this but please try and read and understand all of the previous posts regarding the circuits. Get someone to help you if you need to. This may help you to have more success.

Regards,

Ossie

I remember you posting that now that you mention it but my point is (and I guess I should have stated it) that on a V8 motor you've got 8 times the pulsing going on of that of a single cylinder motor. So at 3000 rpm on a V8 motor you've got it pulsing at 200 times a second. I recall S1R saying his car would only idle, someting to think about. I'm not trying to cause problems so don't think I am, I'm just bringing up legit questions. I'm with the other guy that said if people try this circuit and it don't work because, like me, they don't know electronics or because it will only let the motor hit a few times or only idle then you'll have people out there saying that it doesn't work. I want this to work just as much as anybody out there.


EDIT: I edited this post because I forgot that a V8 does not have a waste spark. The distributor is turned by the cam and it turns half the speed the crankshaft does so there is no waste spark.

[tishatang]

@bumfuzzled

Thanks for the tip to change the timing.  I am not a small engine mechanic.  It seems to me, I remember years ago reading using offset keys to change timing.  Of course those guys had a machine shop to get the timing exactly where they wanted it.

It all seems moot because Cap70 answered me on another thread that his motor had no altered timing.  This seems contradictory to what I recall the original guy said with the running V-8, that the timing was retarded 25 degrees.  It is also moot for me because he also said two-cycle engines will not work because the water sits on the piston.  He said to use 4-cycle with high compression.  So that leaves out my electric start two-cycle engine.  Unless maybe the water was pre misted instead of liquid?

I just had a thought for the day someone is ready for a big engine.
In my old hot-rodding days they had belt driven Paxton centrifugal superchargers.  If you installed one after the carb, the high speed fan would help mix the water droplets before the engine.   

tishatang

[bumfuzzled]

@bumfuzzled

Thanks for the tip to change the timing.  I am not a small engine mechanic.  It seems to me, I remember years ago reading using offset keys to change timing.  Of course those guys had a machine shop to get the timing exactly where they wanted it.

It all seems moot because Cap70 answered me on another thread that his motor had no altered timing.  This seems contradictory to what I recall the original guy said with the running V-8, that the timing was retarded 25 degrees.  It is also moot for me because he also said two-cycle engines will not work because the water sits on the piston.  He said to use 4-cycle with high compression.  So that leaves out my electric start two-cycle engine.  Unless maybe the water was pre misted instead of liquid?

I just had a thought for the day someone is ready for a big engine.
In my old hot-rodding days they had belt driven Paxton centrifugal superchargers.  If you installed one after the carb, the high speed fan would help mix the water droplets before the engine.   

tishatang

I'm not sure what he means by it sits on the piston but a 2 stroke is not a good idea because the fuel/air mixture goes thru the crankcase first, that's why you mix the oil with it, to lube the bearings on the crank and rod. If you run just water thru it it will seize up pretty quickly.

I have a Trans Am sitting in the garage with a roots supercharger on it and yes the thought has crossed my mind of one day runing it on water. That would have many benefits that I won't go into at the moment.

[allcanadian]

I think EV Gray used a circuit almost identical to the one posted, my understanding was that a HV source was used to produce a plasma arc across two conductors, this plasma would then conduct a large 12v current source(batteries) across the conductors. Plasma is a perfect conductor thus the HV arc was used as a means to switch a large current source on and off much like ionization does in radio tubes. Because the HV arc controls the duration time of the large current source the discharge time can be made extremely small. As well there must be two currents flowing in the conducting space, one high voltage/low amps the other low voltage/high amps which is interesting in itself. This small duration high energy impulse between the conductors was said to produce "radiant" effects that EV Gray used to power an electric motor and recharge his batteries. There is the possibility this is a very "natural" process, when we consider lightning we have always thought that the discharge is a high voltage/high current discharge. But maybe the high voltage discharge in lightning is nothing more than a conducting path for the naturally occurring potential gradient (100v/m)found in earths atmosphere--the current source. Nicola Tesla in his "colorado notes" also mentions the fact that lightning appears to be "thicker" at its root nearest the earth and that he had measured standing waves in earths atmosphere produced by lightning strikes.
Very interesting stuff 

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone, just to let you all know I posted this reply to Super God's post at the other topic.

Luc

I don't know why luc created the other thread.  We have gotten excellent results with capacitor70's circuit.  User jcbx6 over in the waterfuel1978 group has gotten his volvo to run on water with the same circuit capcitor70 is using.  So over here we are making progress rapidly.  The postal service is slower than molasses so I still have to wait before I can get mine working too.

By the way, I don't think this system uses THAT much electricity that it would drain a battery.  You would need two, however, because the starter motor drags down the voltage so much it would put the inverter in self protect mode.

Looking good so far, full steam ahead.

Hi Sg, I created the other thread because I found that water explosion could be achieved without a large capacitive discharge and that seems to be very interesting and worth looking at just that. Also please note that S1R has said his system does not use capacitors.  So, in order to not create confusion in this thread since you are using a different approach I started a new topic. At this time my updated circuit (on page one) of the topic I started uses only 1uf or 2uf depending on the inverter output.

Are you sure user jcbx6 at the waterfuel1978 group is saying his Volvo is working on water at this time?

@capacitor70 my congratulations to you in demonstrating that it is truly possible to get a ICE to run on water

Keep up this important research we will find the way to get this done one way or another.

Luc