URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[BEP]

@Xbox

Just an FYI:

When hitting a conductive mass with an HV charge consider that mass(the engine) a very large tank circuit. There will be inductive and capacitive reactance to charge. It is very likely the engine is simply absorbing the charge - especially if it is a stream of pulses.
If you get to the point where you are testing with an engine it should probably be a very small one and well insulated from everything including the Earth.

Just a thought. I haven't applied this type of work to and ICE but I do know my sparks 

I find the work here very interesting. If and when I jump in it'll be with a model airplane engine.

[winner]

Hi LarryC,

One thing I would like to point out with the discharge and the reaction with water present is that, as Luc has told us of previously, even moisture in the air can increase the explosiveness of the discharge. Spraying water on your spark gap certainly increases the explosiveness a great deal but if you don't, humidity of the air and any natural condensate of moisture on your electrodes or spark plug will increase the power of the discharge. To alter this, simply use a hair dryer or heat gun and completely dry your electrodes and/or spark plug... Regards, Ossie

@ Ossie or anyone:

In an existing ICE, do you see that adding a humidifier and air warmer (for winter operation) to the air intake would be a natural part of a conversion kit for existing engines? I know very little about automobile engines, but it seems to me this is a much simpler way to go than delivering water injection to each spark plug. I remember reading that already a certain amount of water exists in ICE piston chambers; is rust really all that much of a new concern?

Another idea to consider (or throw out if it adds unnecessary complicaton!): If we have another AC signal at the spark plug contacts, of appropriate level and frequency (14-20 kHz?), which is known to contribute toward water dissociation, would this bolster the effect?

I resonate with the various pleas here to focus on Gotoluc's aim of converting existing auto engines to water fuel. Toward this goal, I do also see the need for an organized "divide and conquer" plan where all interested participants can contribute their talents, whatever they may be, toward a universal solution.

Eventually, I see that we will devise something of a conversion kit concept, and then go about constructing specific kits for various cars as necessary.

[allcanadian]

@springfield

@anyone
Can someone get me up to speed on the principle at work here? How does the spark extract the energy from the water?
1. When hydrogen combines with oxygen to make water (ie when it burns), energy is released which can be used to power a device, for example some kind of internal combustion engine.
2. To take water and separate its hydrogen from its oxygen, external energy must be supplied, most commonly electrical energy through electrolysis.
3. The amount of energy involved in #1 and #2 above is exactly the same for the same amount of material: in other words there's an exact give-and-take of energy when you go from hydrogen/oxygen to water and back again.
So here's what I don't get: if you start off with water as fuel I don't see how you can extract the energy from it - in fact, you have to put energy IN to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen. So if that's the case, what's the principle at work here that makes this special spark able to get energy from water? Thanks,
-Mike

Now there is a good question   A very wise person I know once said " you cannot build what you do not understand" and I believe this to be true --- so maybe we should explore the mechanism involved in-depth.
Here is what we know-----
- a high tension arc across a gap has little or no effect on water vapor
- a high current flow cannot jump the gap on it's own
- a high tension arc can act as a "conductor" and conduct large current flows across a spark gap
- an electric current can disassociate water into H2 and O2, if the gasses should recombine the same energy required to seperate them will be released.

Here is what has not been mentioned-----
-Water is a condition applied within the confines of a given space, water vapor is water that has it's surface tension released thus energy has been added to it.
-Water vapor is a condition applied within the confines of a given space, water vapor is not liquid water any more than an apple chopped up into a fine powder could be considered an apple. The qualities and properties change drastically, we enter the realm of nano-technology where many small things seperated act very differently than if they were joined together.
-Matter and space are "conditions" dictated by pressure and potential difference, conditions can be changed.

In this device the conditions have changed  A large current flow is forced to jump into an spark gap and apply it's energy to a water vapor already in a high energy state. What you have not considered is the one thing that makes this process work ----- Duration of the applied energy(Time). Matter will absorb energy until it exceeds its boundaries at which point it must "radiate" the energy to maintain its condition or change its condition. The capacitive discharge in the spark gap because it has a very short duration could amount to thousands of KW but only for a small period of time. As Nicola Tesla once said ---" I can charge a capacitor at 200Hp and discharge it at 10,000Hp or 1,000,000Hp"--- only the duration of energy flow has changed. I do not believe there is any "electrolysis" in the reaction in the spark gap,maybe this is an electrostatic event.
I had decided not to mention this but I think it will help you in more ways than you can imagine
Consider a single rock dropped in a pond of water, the rock entering the water is a singular event yet it produces waves in the water. We could say the properties of the waves are determined by the conditions present, that is the velocity of the rock and the density of the water.The water does not radiate outward from the disturbance, energy radiates outward using the water as the means for propogation. Following this line of though we could also say a singular impulsive discharge could produce waves in the "media" of any wavelength but in this case the duration(rate of change) and magnitude of the energy input can determine the properties of the energy and its effects in matter. Your plasma arc discharge produces UV radiation ie... energy radiating outward from a single point--radiant energy, but this is not the only thing it can do.
Best of luck

[masta]

Heloes everyone,

and thank you all for taking apart of this very important project.
Wanted to say that i do not want to see anyone using word "waste" while contributing or buying stuff to make this thing work, i think some still dont get how big it is, when you all get it going

was suprised also that capacitor had removed his posts with success on the scooter engine, here's his video tho, is still up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnUv6M0N6z4 - capacitor70 scooter engine video

As myself, i think im good enough tinkerer when stuff needs building, but my knowledge in electornics and ICE is far too low to be any big use, still your carborator talk etc reminded me a video i was looking the other day about hydrogen fed ICE, and removed carborator.

Did a search on youtube and found it, stuff i wanted to show starts at about 4:00 into the video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RMj14tPiIww - hydrogen fed 5hp motor.

He's using stainless steel tube feeding hydrogen on top of the intake valve, i dont know how carborator works and spreads water, but i was thinking maybe some good "sprinkler" that makes fine mist under some pressure in front of the intake.. also under an angle for excess water to flow away.. hope you get what im thinking.
Anyway, the hydrogen solution uses plain vacuum generated by the piston to suck in enough gas for next ignition, would misty water be gaseous enough and would this provide enough amount for it for next explosion, i dont know, just throwing in an idea for you guys, ignore it if its unusable.

made the "Ossielator" too, as its easy to make tho i cant see it react to water, too weak mby, dont know.


good luck guys, moar results less sleeps 

[McGiver30]

XBOX Hacker, I Believe your missing a rectifier right after your inverter in your diagram. can't see how else it would actually be a true dc circuit as you discribe. I am not an expert though.