URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[allcanadian]

@ resonanceman

A  couple of  questions
Does the  secondary somehow control  the  voltage that  it will  charge to ?
Does  the  size  of the  transformer  matter ?
I have a big   transformer  from an old  UPS  just sitting here waiting to be used for something .
gary   

-- I am using the transformer secondary only, wire wrapped around an iron core is called an inductor because it has the property of self-inductance. The more windings the greater the self-inductance and proportionately a greater induced voltage, a 120v winding will consistently generate three times its rated voltage when the magnetic field collapses, that is around 360v maximum.
-- No,  the only requirement is the rated amperage and voltage.

The whole point in posting this circuit is that quite frankly the inverters everyone is using are fragile and not very efficient, the circuit I posted will take more abuse than most of you can dish out if built with high rated but relatively cheap components. I built my circuit for under $10 and it can generate over 1000v pulses to charge a capacitor however for most puposes I use the 120v inductor for around 300v--- the rating for most of my larger capacitors.
This circuit is the topic in a thread called "the Tesla project" under Tesla technologies on this site.

[resonanceman]

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That is right.
We must test, how big the overunity factor is, otherwise if the process is not overunity
it makes more sense to use an electric motor to drive a car.

Stefan

I don't  agree

The  question is not if it is over unity ..........the question is if we can get it  to work .

I  think it  has  been  shown that  an engine  can  will kick  over   running  on only water 
There is  little  evidence so far that   the  engine can be  controled  like  a convention ICE

As I see it  worst case ....... we   develop  a system to run an engine  steady state  ....
With this  we could   drive a generator   for power in  our homes  or   possibly  use it  in a hybrid car . 

It doesn't  matter how much water it takes to run .
It  doesn't  really matter  how efficient  it is .   .........if it runs it is a GIANT  step in the right  direction .
Efficiency  will  come in time .

gary

Edit

I can see that some will  say that   the  efficiency  of the basic process is  what is important  and   needs to be measured .
If we measure it now we only learn  how efficient it is at our CURRENT level of understanding  . 
A change  in  voltage,   current,  frequency .........maybe even  geometry  can all affect  the  overall  efficiency 



gary

[qiman]

I am not an electrical circuit design person by any means and it is not my forte.  I am degreed in Physics and understand what is really happening here, not that it is really important anyway.  That and 50 cents gets you a bad cup of coffee from a vending machine.

If there was a disassociation of water into HHO and burned, then the "system" would be hot, just like burning fossil fuels or burning ANYTHING.  As evidenced by Luc AND Ossie, the spark plug is barely warm.  The reason is because NOTHING is being ignited or burned!

The reaction is just like thunder and lightening.  Ionized water droplets in the atmosphere are then hit by a strong static charge (Lightening).  The air molecules BETWEEN the water droplets are being accelerated at supersonic speeds and bumping into more water droplets, which bumps more air molecules... in a cascading effect.  The thunder we hear and feel is a sonic boom or concussion wave.

This concussion wave can do work by pushing down a piston.  To futher evidence this using Luc and Ossie's experiments, in air alone the plasma arc is notably smaller than when water mist is added.  Luc did get some nice "air only" plasma arcs one day, but then he also said it was raining at the time, which means a lot of humidity or water vapor in the air! 

The HV from the ignition coil instantaneously (or close to it) ionizes the water droplets and when hit with the higher amperage from the rectified AC/inverter part of the circut, is just like Lightening and the air molecules around the water droplet are accelerated at supersonic speeds, hence the loud bang.

I don't understand why this MISINFORMATION about current following up the HV jump keeps popping up! lol I explained ACCURATELY what is happening here and nobody has it right.
Watch tihs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l54wlbi0Szk
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8OnvanMi-g

The 2nd vid is an ISOLATED capacitor to PROVE there is NO current from an inverter than can possibly jump a gap when it is ISOLATED FROM THE CIRCUIT. These ideas I see are throwing people down the wrong track of what is happening and unless people are using the correct model, it will negatively influence how you approach your enhancements to what you are doing to make it better.

[gotoluc]

@GotolucLOL, You must have read my mind, I was about to post an easier way to acheive the desired effects----Tesla style. I built your original circuit last night and Qiman's, and it works very well but there are issues. Now consider what is happening in this circuit, an inverter raises a 12v batteries potential to 120v(losses) and is rectified to DC(losses) then charges a capacitor.This capacitor is discharged through the primary of an ignition coil ------ but what happens next? Qiman gave part of the answer The moment the potential from the capacitor reaches the primary of the coil a larger potential is induced in the secondary HV coil. All of you see a spark across the gap but that is only the beginning, Qiman said this is all about "potential" and he is correct. The very moment the HV jumps the arc gap a higher potential appears at both the (-)negative terminal of the primary having an inductance or opposition to current flow and the negative side of the capacitor As such an oscillitory series circuit is formed, the HV appearing behind the capacitor forces another impulse through the capacitor and primary thus the secondary raising potential incrementally. This "appears" to be a single arc across the gap only because the frequency of oscillation is extremely high as such the "qualities" of the arc discharge have changed from what we know. The variables we need be concerned with are potential and frequency of oscillation(wave period)---- this is not "alternating" current it is HV impulsive DC, the flow never reverses but does oscillate within itself, each oscillation raising the potential. You could call it unidirectional RF in which the radiative properties have been expanded. The oscillations produce resonant vibrations within the media and the potential difference tears it apart.
If you want to lose both the inverter and the rectifier to reduce resistance losses you need look no further than Tesla Patent 568177 Ozone generator, an economical and efficient means to charge a capacitor to high potential, the Primary/Secondary is your ignition coil.
Best Regards

Hi allcanadian, thank you for answering my call

AT EVERYONE In case some of you do not know user allcanadian... he is very very knowledgeable of Tesla's circuits and is a great asset for us to have here with us. I ask you all to be respectful towards his advice and to do the tests that he will recommend since they will help us all to understand what this circuit does. You cannot get these teachings even in the best of Universities, so pay attention and do the tests before you ask or comment anything.

@allcanadian, the floor is yours. ...Let me know if there is anything I can do that could help you with the moderator privileges I have since I don't know much about what I can all do with it

Luc

[bumfuzzled]

Hello all,

I've been following this discussion since the beginning. I'm not an electronics expert, but I replicated the circuit and had my spark-plug delivering a nice fat arc. Anyway, I was wondering if this setup could be run from anything other than an inverter. I borrowed the inverter I was using and it's gone now. I cannot afford one and I'd rather not give up. Could I feed 120 from the wall socket straight into my rectifier for testing purposes? I hate the thought of giving up now and could use some advice.

Thanks all and keep up the research, someone will crack this yet.

I was feeding from a wall socket but unless you've got some big diodes they will blow after a few arcs. I used an old heating element I had laying around as a resistor to limit the current. You could put a light bulb in series to do the same. Be careful, that outlet can put out alot more punch than the inverter. Be sure you have everything insulated good if yer using a metal table, I found out the hard way about that. I had one component laying on the bare metal table and I think it fed back thru a small drill press sitting on the table, not good.

I've got 10 big diodes that my dad took out of some welders, They are rated at around 100-125 amps I believe. Not sure on the voltage but the ten I have aren't rated for enough voltage to allow the circuit to work or I'd use them with the wall outlet or the biggest inverter I could find just to see how big of an arc I could get.