URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[whopper1967]

I was thinking about this today,like in capacitor70s case,where he has it running,wouldnt a hydrogen booster help it run better,after all,I can run my riding mower on about 1.5 lpm,not well,but it will  idle.I know this isnt a long term solution,but it could help the motor run long enough to get warm,then cut the hho off to straight water.I believe the motors may run when warm....just a thought.

[greendoor]

I can sense a lot of frustration and anger from some people in this thread - because of confusion.  Very probably some of this confusion is deliberate sabotage.  But probably most of it is just communication difficulties - and semantics ARE important to avoid confusion.

Overunity - the word is meaningless.  Some say it's important, others say "who cares? - Just make it work!".  I believe we are all meaning the same thing, but using a poor choice of word.

IF the energy to create the spark is Less than the Power obtained from the power stroke - we are wasting energy.  The motor will not "run" on water - it will "run" on Electricity, which we will have to purchase.  This is obviously not going to liberate us from Big Oil.  So can we agree that we need "over-unity" in the sense that the power output of the spark-induced explosion Has to be greater than the power input supplied by the battery.  This should be a no-brainer - so why are we fighting over this?

Most importantly: there are still people at this late stage in the thread talking about Hydrogen and Burning and High Amps and Mist.  The working principle and source of available energy has been explained in detail - yet some are persisting on the wrong path than can only lead to failure. 

Big thanks to allcanadian!  Brilliant charging circuit - thank you, thank you!  And excellent advice about not putting the cart before the horse.

Our belief in the actual working principle of this energy source will change how we build, and ultimately lead to success or failure. 

We clearly aren't all on the same page - and no doubt I am angering some of you right now.  My intention is to bring focus and point out some of the ignor-ance and dis-information that seems to be sinking this thread. 

I personally feel I've been handed the keys to real free-energy and it really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or does.  Or how civil or nasty they are in an internet thread. 

IMO these recurring ideas will lead to failure:

The idea that this is combustion of hydrogen - 1st mistake.  (We are liberating the Latent Heat of liquid Water in a low temperature process)

The idea that mist is required (and forgive me for mentioning ultrasonic misters earlier on - I didn't know the principle at that time).  If the energy comes from the transition of water into vapour - if we start with vapour, there is no energy left.  (Mist should be the Output of engine - not the Input.) 

The idea that higher current is required: Sure - we can make big sparks and blow up water, but at the huge expense of 10,000 J instead of 50 J by way of comparison.  This approach seems doomed to failure before we start.  (IMO, high voltage is needed to bridge the gap with plasma - and an extremely short high current pulse is required to explode the water.  High Amps ARE necessary - but not for very long, and not necessarily at high voltage.  Power = Volts x Amps - and we can't afford to waste either doing the wrong thing at the wrong time).

Brute force and ignorance are the answer to a lot of life's problems.  Just not this one.

We need intelligent circuit design - and to do that, we need to understand the basic principles we need the circuit to accomplish.

I shall shut up now.  Thanks to all those who have opened my eyes.

[callanan]

Hi all,

Please see my latest two "Proof Of Concept" videos here:

http://www.youtube.com//m1a9r9s9

The first video as follows is the overall proof of concept setup which includes a demonstration of the plasma discharge used. Again, the video here no where near comes close to capturing the power in the arc discharge. It is simply just too fast for the video camera!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzawlY9jCFk

The second video as follows is the actual proof of concept demonstration where I show how exploding water from a plasma discharge when applied, in this case to a line trimmer motor, can push the piston of an engine down with significant force.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OTCqws_hsc

The line trimmer motor has been stripped to the bare motor including having the ignition magneto removed as the ignition pulse for this test uses a more powerfull standard automotive ignition coil. I also removed the bearing seals as this motor, being new, was quite tight and there was a great deal of friction caused by the bearing seals.

The power supply is simply a derivation of the previous circuits I have posted. The total discharge capacitance used was 500uf. Please see the circuit attached below.

In the setup video, where I show the spark plug discharges, I also show at the end how I sprayed water into the cylinder via the plark plug hole. I then would pull the recoil to mix the water up in the cylinder. I then screwed in the spark plug and pulled the recoil again to mix and splash the water all over inside of the cylinder and spark plug.

In the demonstration video, you can see me adjusting the cylinder position prior to the discharges such that the piston is only a few degrees retarded or past TDC as the cylinder has started to travel down. With the inverter power supply OFF, there is no movement of the engine's flywheel whatsoever even though the normal HV ignition sparks are occuring inside via the spark plug. This is because there is only water inside the cylinder and no traditional fuel such as petrol or anything else that is ignitable. Then, when the inverter power supply is turned ON, you can clearly see the flywheel kick over with force when the ignition coil is pulsed! It is clear that the plasma discharge from the power supply and discharge circuit are exploding the water inside the cylinder which is causing considerable pressure, via the expansion of water gas (fog), that pushes the piston down with considerable force.

After only a few of these discharges the flywheel stops turning. That is because all of the water making contact with the spark plug inside has been exploded off. But I can then simply just pull the recoil again which will cause the water in the cylinder to splash up and onto the spark plug.

Although, appropriately, I make no claims of the overall energy input, output and efficiency here, I have no doubt that the kinetic force generated by the exploding water within this engine, as demonstrated, will allow it to run using water only as the fuel once the appropriate ignition synchronisation and timing circuit has been built and put into place.

Please see below for a circuit diagram of the power supply and discharge circuit used. As well as some pictures of the proof of concept setup.

Regards,

Ossie

[hoptoad]

The idea that this is combustion of hydrogen - 1st mistake.  (We are liberating the Latent Heat of liquid Water in a low temperature process)

The only problem I have with the idea that latent heat is being liberated in the process of converting liquid water to fog, is that under normal circumstances (e.g. evaporation), the latent heat quota of liquid water must be filled in order for the liquid to convert to a vapour state. That is, heat or other photonic energy is normally absorbed by the water (added to the water from an external source) for the conversion of liquid to vapour to occur. Latent heat energy is not released.

Latent heat is usually "liberated" when a vapour condenses back to a fluid, or a fluid is converted to solid. This is the opposite of what appears to be happening in the experiments shown.

The explanation given by Peter Graneau from Northeastern University Boston USA and Neal Graneau from Oxford University UK, is a little more involved than that, I know, but it still leaves me a little puzzled ?

Can anybody expand on the explanation given by Graneau. ? I am not disputing the explanation, but I am struggling to fully understand it.

Cheers all.

[wings]

tesla like spark plugs:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Firestorm_spark_plug

http://web.archive.org/web/20050307163215/www.robertstanley.biz/firestorm.htm