URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

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@Xbox Hacker
Over kill!!! not if it runs on water!!

Hi Xbox and all, 

Harrrrrrrrrrrr............I'll just run the exhaust out on the wheel and if it actually runs which I give it a 50/50 shot for this first try. It will wet the grinder, make me grin and ...I'll call it my  "Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator" motor! This is to honnor "Marvin the Martian".............(You know from the old Bugs Bunny on Mars cartoons!).  Folks, we do with what we can get ahold of!

Done for the day, family stuff...........

Having Fun
Ben

[radicalzero]

Hey guys! Great work. I have been following this thread for sometime now. I was just wondering if you couldn't just hook up a second alternator in your automobile but remove the diode tree from it and run just ac from it. Could this replace the inverter or am I missing something? I am currently bench testing with old scrap parts from microwaves etc to get my own plasma system running. You guys have been a great inspiration. thanx again.

[bumfuzzled]

Yes it is out of purportion but if you look inside, it is just a nice plasma plug/area......I hope it works as ugly as it looks!!!!!
Remember, the plasma doesn't spread out, what is in the ball is what you get so in my case, bigger ball works better...I hope.

Good idea using separate batteries.......

Ben

Exactly, that's why I just added a plug to mine. I put it right on the edge of the squish area hoping it'll swirl the water right onto the plug as the piston comes up. I really think a very small combustion chamber would help alot too. I believe that lil motor you've got there will run. I forgot to take a pic after I bored the hole so the arrow is pointing to where the new hole is. The new plug is on the right in the second pic.

[geovel56]

Hi all,

Shriver:  I can follow the step by step up until about point 7, at which point it seemed a little ambiguous.  Where reversing the cap/diode combination is that the polarity or the order in which they appear?

We discovered we had a "-" ve ignition coil and therefore instead of working from the positive side, we had to work from the negative side.  Everything had to be reversed.  Please re-read the verification process as to how we knew we had a "-" ve coil.  We removed the thirty diode chain completely from the circuit and connected one end to the top of the spark plug, and the other end at the spark plug base.  We then flipped the switch back and forth, and didn't get a spark.  That is because in that particular configuration, the HV was not being blocked and therefore didn't force the HV to go through the spark plug.  When we reversed the thirty diode chain, it did block everything coming from the HV coil (aside from the diode blocking, the HV was also seeing the 500K resistors) and the only available path the HV could have taken was directly through the spark plug, hence the spark was observed.  The reason we disconnected the diode chain FIRST from the rest of the circuit, was to make sure the HV wouldn't hit the inverter in the event we did have a "-" ve coil, and therefore only testing for the direction of the HV using the diode chain alone.

Moving the diode/resistor string is also something I'm unclear about.  Is the circuit diagram after these changes? (I'm assuming so), in which case this is a circuit for a -ve coil(?).  Perhaps it would be possible to mark the points on the diagram with the steps in the description so that it's clear where we should be making changes.  Despite not being an electronics person, I can still follow most of what you're saying, or deduce what you meant, but some of it I can't.

No.  This posted circuit diagram is for a "+" ve coil as we originally thought we had.  After seeing we had no spark whatsoever from the coil once the LV part of the circuit was attached but NOT PLUGGED IN, we realized we had a "-" ve coil, and hence had to operate the LV part of the circuit from the negative side, which meant reversing everything. 

Great idea about the diode/resistor combo btw.  I guess that could have saved a few inverters 

Wrt intermittent plasma discharge, if you have a smaller spark gap does it make it any more consistent (if less impressive)?  If so then it looks like it simply needs more voltage.  I have a suspicion about the diode acting as a rectifier.

A diode is a rectifier.  It only allows current to flow in one direction only!

I don't think it's acting in the way you believe it is.  Again I must stress that I know next to nothing about electronics, but wouldn't that only rectify half of the wave? and therefore be less power than you're expecting?

The leading diode (after the resistor) is half-wave rectification as we are only using one side ("+") or ("-") of the inverter, depending on what type of coil we have.  The circuit is for a "+" ve coil, but we had to reverse everything.  Just look at the circuit and turn the "arrows" of every diode the other way.  Also, the capacitor had to be turned the other way as well, i.e. instead of the "+" side of the capacitor being on top as in the original diagram, it is turned upside down, so the "-" is on top.  Instead of all the diodes "pointing to the right, they had to be reversed to point to the left.  The diode in parallel with the capacitor had to be pointing down, instead of pointing up as the original circuit showed. 

Again, the circuit shown was designed for a "+" ve ignition coils, as we expected that is what we had.  Unfortunately, we didn't and had to make corrections at the bench.  LOL

Finally, you have 2 x 12v sources.  Do they need to be isolated or can they be common?

They are 2 separate sources.  One feeds the ignition circuit (just like in your car).  The other 12VDC source (another car battery for instance) is the power input for the inverter to yield a 120VAC.

Poynt99:  geo, ... also, i would suggest using the diode types ossie suggested and is using, the 1N5404, and fewer (16) would be better also. the diodes are there for protection, but they should be able to "switch" as fast as possible to maximize the effect.

Poynt99, the 1N5404 diodes are only 400 volts 3 amps vs. 1N4007 diodes at 1000 volts 1 amp.  A standard ignition coil HV output typically ranges from 30Kv to 45Kv.  That is why we have thirty 1N4007 diodes.  1N5404 diodes x 16 is only 6,400 volts of protection.  If the HV coil output somehow fed back to the LV side of the circuit, it would never handle the 30Kv - 45Kv hitting it.  Although the 1N5404 diodes have a 1200 watt rating (400 volts x 3 amps) vs. the 1N4007 at 1000 watts (1000 volts x 1 amp), it is not the amperage (substantially less than 1 amp) coming from the HV coil we need to worry about "blasting" the inverter... it's the volts!

We still need to figure out why the plasma arcs are sporadic even though we observed the HV spark every time.  Any help, ideas, and thoughts are welcome!

Regards,
Geo

[geovel56]

@Radicalzero
Hey guys! Great work. I have been following this thread for sometime now. I was just wondering if you couldn't just hook up a second alternator in your automobile but remove the diode tree from it and run just ac from it. Could this replace the inverter or am I missing something? I am currently bench testing with old scrap parts from microwaves etc to get my own plasma system running. You guys have been a great inspiration. thanx again.

Although an alternator with or without it's diodes delivers plenty of  volts and amps, in order for it to function, it has to be turning, which means the engine has to be running.  We need to have the plasma arc during startup of the car, as well as while it's running.

Hope this helped.
Geo