URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[wavez]

I think Ben's reaction is to be expected. But with these kinds of projects, it seems to come down to what you believe in. You could argue it was fake all along, or you could argue that you just haven't found the answer yet. I choose to believe that Peter Graneau has told us the truth and that he really did explode water. He has a book, btw... I've ordered a copy. Do some shopping online if you're going to get it. Some sites were selling it for around $70, but one I found was more like $30 or $40.

I also recognize that the spark plug modification we are using here is a lot like the one used by Daniel Dingel in his patent... well, I think www.DanielDingel.com claims he doesn't have any patents, yet this guy, http://www.jcmiras.net/jcm/item/75/ claims to have read through a Dingel patent and makes a couple observations, one of which being that he has placed a cap across his ignition coil. Although, he also claims Dingel is using a water/oil emulsion, which he wouldn't be doing if it was a water-only car, so this does create more questions than it answers.

Next, you have to remember that Robert Krupa's spark plugs have been observed to explode water, by creating a plasma. What's also important to note is that Robert claims he is able to gain a fuel economy of 44% just by switching the car to his plugs! That's a lot of money to be saved if you're a company that runs work trucks, or generators, or diesel burning water heaters! Has anyone in this group even thought about testing these for more efficient fuel burning? What about the relation between this modification and Meyer electrolysis or Gray/Tesla spark gap experiments? (btw, k4zep, save your two-stroke for Christ's sake, test it for better fuel economy. You can't lube a crank case with water, even if you do have FE)

No, this technique is very very valuable, but it is not the complete answer. Time to keep on truckin'.

[hydrocontrol]

Ben,
Great work. Please continue if possible. You have spend all this time to get this far you might as well play with it a bit to get it to run continuously. You may find something along the way that might improve things. Once you get it running stable you might be able to get a plasma spark with an input energy below 700 watts.
  Thoughts to ponder. What if it is not a linear relationship. What if it gets more efficient the larger the engine you have or the more cylinders you have ?

[k4zep]

Ben,
Great work. Please continue if possible. You have spend all this time to get this far you might as well play with it a bit to get it to run continuously. You may find something along the way that might improve things. Once you get it running stable you might be able to get a plasma spark with an input energy below 700 watts.
  Thoughts to ponder. What if it is not a linear relationship. What if it gets more efficient the larger the engine you have or the more cylinders you have ?

Hi Hydro,

I'll finish it for finishing sake.....When you charge up a 4200 uf to 300 V, it is absolutely deadly if you get across it.  Huge peak currents, fire in the hole so to speak.  I would like to see it run under control just one time.......The problem is you are running with very short pulse of very high power and the average power even with huge pulses is not that great.  The explosion is of such short duration depending on the size of the wire in the LV side and the total inductance in the circuit that we have to look at the power output completely different than in a normal IC engine with a long power generation pulse. With water, it is SO fast/short.......All the rest of the time, the engine is coasting......

When I actually started firing the engine and realized it's limitations early today, I was totally PO'ed with it......and have few illusions about it now.  It is a technology that will work but practical, I don't know yet. 

I feel it might be better suited for a continuous extremely high power conversion process using turbine or turbo fan technology or direct conversion of mas to thrust as in a open rocket/explosive type of external drive engine.....dare I say possibly an Aurora type of drive?........Hummmmmmmmmmmmm.  Don't ask...........Just think.

Anyone know what Graneau is doing these days?

Ben

[gotoluc]

Wow! Great work Luc. You continue to impress and amaze

Sry to go off-topic but this is important imo:

Regarding lasers: I and several people i know in the same line of work who spent alot of time around them have gotten cataracts way before our times. At age 40, i had to have both eyes done. The surgery is no big deal but it is a nuisance to always have to use reading glasses now for close work, when before my eyesight was always 20/20 (the plastic lenses wont bend to focus like the "originals" did). Lasers can take 50 years off the life of your natural lenses so be careful around them

If you suspect you might be getting cataracts, find a microscope and look into it: They will be seen reflected back as "amoeba" like blobs looking somewhat like a "hair ball", lol. Like i said its not terrible to get them fixed with implants but it costs as much as $12k per eye to have it done in the US and if you don't have insurance.... 

Incidences of cataracts have risen greatly in the last 20 years especially among younger people. I never looked at a laser directly: But backscatter can be bad enough over time.

Thanks jibbguy for all this important information.

@Everyone, Please take care of your eyes!!! I have a feeling that too much exposure to this spark will lead to eye damage. My eyes are still feeling kind of dry and find I need to re-focus more than before. So wear UV protective shaded glasses when looking at the spark.

Luc

[gotoluc]

Luc,

Over a WaterFuel1978, they all seem to have an isolating transformer to protect their inverter.  Can you add an isolating transformer to you diagram?

Darren

Hi Darren, it would be better protection for your inverter if you added one. I was just demonstrating that the circuit can be very simple and you did not need an inverter to get the spark and water explosion.

Luc