URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[gotoluc]

Hello Luc,

It would helpful if you could make a simple hand-drawing of the complete circuit so that we are not left speculating on this effect. It is important to knwo the exact figures of your leading coil ( L in Henry ), the max switch-amperage and volatage of the relais, values of the HV-Diodes and inductance of the primary ingnition-coil.

Also any digital-meter fails in showing the exact values while measuring pulse-modes. Although I accept your reluctance to get a bit more "scientific" I can assure you that it is very important to learn the minimum of methods known in electronics. I myself have lost a lage amount of time in "barking at the wrong tree" - so to say.

I agree on what nul-point was saying about your observation.

Input current is measured best be detecting the voltage-drop across a low-value resistor ( 1 Ohm, 25 Watt ) either with a true RMS meter in AC-mode before the rectifier or in DC-mode after the rectifier.

The link fo yours above does not work today, its says the server lead the enquiery around somewhere so it can never be answered

Anyway , first measure-methods have to be revised and a drawing would be helpful, so we can duplicate exactly.

Kator

Hi Kator,

I made a hand drawn circuit. If you or anyone else can make a clean one that would be great since I can include it at my first page as an update,
Updated, user name: Aka has cleaned the circuit (now below) Thanks Aka

The Full Wave Bridge Rectifier is a standard off the self item 400v  5 amps or more if you wish.

The Air Core Charge Inductor I made is from a primary of a MOT that I cut out and recoiled it. The Inductor center opening is 38mm. The O.D. is 60mm and the width is 40mm. From what I can tell the Mag Wire is about 14 Gauge. The coils DC resistance is 0.4 Ohms and measures 2.23mH on my inductance meter.

The Relay is an Automotive 12vdc relay rated 40A/30A which is SPDT . I did not show the relay coil in the diagram since the black marker I was using is too large to show details. The relays rest position is on the bridge to cap. I use a 12vdc battery to activate the relay coil to discharge the cap to the coil and diode string.

The Capacitor is 6.8uf 250 AC (non polarized). I go this this cap out an old heavy wood 30" color TV unit. I don't know why but this cap takes the best peak charges and gives an amazing bang for its uF size   My capacitance meter says it is 6.9uf but gives the same kind of bang as my 22uf 350v polarized, which I also check on meter and it is actually 26uf. I don't understand that.

The Coil is an Automotive Coil made by Accel part on. 8140C. The Primary DC resistance is 1.3 Ohms and measures 6.46mH on inductance meter. Secondary DC resistance is 9.10 K Ohms and I cannot measure H on my meter.

The Diodes are a string of 6 of 1N5408 in series and are rated at 1000 volts at 3A each.

The Spark Plug used for spark gap is from a 3HP gas lawn mower engine that will be used for testing the circuit. Modifications to the plug are: I cut off the J electrode and also filed down the center electrode so both are at same level. With this mod. the Plug now has a 3mm gap. The plugs internal resistor has been removed and replaced with 3 pcs. of correct length 14 gauge solid copper wire to complete the contact.

I hope this is enough details for anyone to replicate.

Luc

[gotoluc]

Hi Luc 

I was wondering if there is any steam pressure develloped in the proces?
If so then maybe it is possible to directly drive turbines or the like or something in the o'l steam engine fashion at a low cost since we do not need to actually boil the water first?

I will catch you guys up on the experiments soon.
Marco.

Hi Marco,

nice to see you at this topic. The interesting thing about this effect is it stays cool, so steam is not apparent. I have sometimes seen a very small amount when using larger capacitors but not enough to make a turbine work on that for the energy in. The sound is much more, so If you had a resonator to amplify that and convert it to mechanical movement that would be worth looking into.

@starcruiser, thanks for looking at this topic and sharing Please read the above and see if anything comes to mind. Maybe Keely could of done something with this. Where is Hans

Luc

[nul-points]

hi Luc

[edit: sorry, wrote this before i saw you've posted a schematic]

i'm not sure that you've given me the value for C1 (the cap immediately following the bridge)?  you mention about the 6.8uF giving a louder bang, so i guess you're actually talking about C2

the cap C1, following the bridge gets charged to the peak voltage of the rectified AC anyway, and with suitable value for the cap should remain there, approx

it will have some ripple on the voltage each time the relay (or SS switch) charges C2 - but as long as C1 is sufficiently higher-valued than C2 then C1 won't lose too much voltage each time C2 gets charged  (it gets recharged back to peak on the next rectified AC half-cycle) - so, you could try, say, around 100uF for C1

really no need to synchronize cap charging to the rectified AC waveform - un-necessary complexity!

it's possible that the difference in bang-per-uF between your 6.8uF & 22uF caps could be due to different internal series resistance  (ESR) in the two caps (which might be greater in the polarised electrolytic than in the non-polarised cap - think of it as leaving some resistance in the spark plug, say)

if you stay with the relay as a switch, i'd recommend using D2 anyway, to help prolong its switch contact life - even if it doesn't show any benefit from extra flyback energy - i suggested HV diode but actually a 1N400x type would probably be ok - only has to be rated at just above peak rectified AC for its reverse voltage

thanks for the info about the LCDs/Faraday cage - was interested to see if there was a direct influence on the display crystal medium - but it sounds like its more an RF effect if it relies on the presence of the wires of the affected device - antenna action

on the general subject of water-plasma explosive force - have you ever seen any info about longitudinal force caused by current flow?

doesn't seem to be that widely known in conventional electro-physics, but wire can be made to disintegrate energetically under high current loads - it breaks into segments lengthways - apparently rail-gun experiments have to take this into account otherwise the rails get buckled outwards by the current across the sled/axles between the rails

so - i guess there is an equivalent lengthways force in ANY conductor (plasma/water/copper, etc) - though it might be of interest
[even later edit!: ...thinks - does this suggest firing the spark between the charged anode and the top of the piston - so the force can take effect and expand along the path of the plasma, rather than be fixed between the plug anode & cathode?!?]

[late edit:  ...just seen you've got your switch after the coil - can i suggest you try placing the coil AFTER the relay switch (as in my schematic, i think) & using D2 positioned & polarised as shown there - you certainly won't get any flyback energy from the coil if it's separated from C2 by the switch - other than by sparking across your relay switch - not good!]

cordialement
sandy
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site  http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc

[gotoluc]

We have used the MSD Blaster 2 and Blaster 3 on his plugs and they both work well, with the enhanced spark setup and without. Tests were run in the 20Hz to 300Hz range fired by a large Mosfet with snubbers on the output. Voltages from 10 to 150 volts were used and his plug seems to produce a more pronounced plasma compared to regular plugs. I have used up to 220uF flash caps but blew mosfets out under the larger capacitive discharges. I am switching to an SCR driven system like Lee's (AKA SMW1989A) for more robustness. We have also exploded water using the genuine Firestorm and the other brands and they work similar although the Firestorm explodes the water under much less energy than the others. We used Bosch platinum and many of the champion line and they just don't create the same plasma effect under the same energy levels. Almost appears to the eye that the Firestorm plugs create a ball of plasma inside the cage and you get flashes of flame? extending outside the cage as well. Similar to what you see in his earlier videos. Most of those tests were on run under 800mJ energy levels after the mosfets blew. We used the MSD ignition driver (Digital-6 Plus) which is half the energy rating we need. We have Crane cams drivers coming which are capable of 1.2 Joules. We will use those as a backup to the SCR driven and variac fed power supply we are building.

Once I have the large SCR bench test system up I will tell you of the results from the 2 to 6 joule range firing. Hopefully we can run constantly and really get some good test data from it. I'm not sure if Krupa's investor will allow us to post videos etc, but we will try to give basic data from the tests. The plugs should be in manufacturing shortly, although not any of the companies in the US or Bosch etc want to manufacture them for us because they last too long and they would not make any money from them (according to Bosch and others). Thankfully we have other options for production.

Thanks again for all the information. Have you seen my video on a 3/4" ball replica of a Krupa style plug? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrrPu7AI50w

I went through most of all the mosfet that I had collected during the tests. The IRF640 gave the best effect with my setup of the collection of mosfet's I had.

I listen to Mr. Krupa's new telephone interview. It was very informative. So they maybe made in Brazil.

Do you think you could talk Mr. Krupa and investors into sending me one sample so I can try it with my circuit?

Thanks for sharing this information.

Luc

[gotoluc]

hi Luc

[edit: sorry, wrote this before i saw you've posted a schematic]

i'm not sure that you've given me the value for C1 (the cap immediately following the bridge)?  you mention about the 6.8uF giving a louder bang, so i guess you're actually talking about C2

the cap C1, following the bridge gets charged to the peak voltage of the rectified AC anyway, and with suitable value for the cap should remain there, approx (it gets recharged back to peak on the next rectified AC half-cycle)

it will have some ripple on the voltage each time the relay (or SS switch) charges C2 - but as long as C1 is sufficiently higher-valued than C2 then C1 won't lose too much voltage each time C2 gets charged (so, you could try, say, around 100uF for C1)

really no need to synchronize cap charging to the rectified AC waveform - un-necessary complexity!

it's possible that the difference in bang-per-uF between your 6.8uF & 22uF caps could be due to different internal series resistance  (ESR) in the two caps (which might be greater in the polarised electrolytic than in the non-polarised cap - think of it as leaving some resistance in the spark plug, say)

if you stay with the relay as a switch, i'd recommend using D2 anyway, to help prolong its switch contact life - even if it doesn't show any benefit from extra flyback energy - i suggested HV diode but actually a 1N400x type would probably be ok - only has to be rated at just above peak rectified AC for its reverse voltage

thanks for the info about the LCDs/Faraday cage - was interested to see if there was a direct influence on the display crystal medium - but it sounds like its more an RF effect if it relies on the presence of the wires of the affected device - antenna action

on the general subject of water-plasma explosive force - have you ever seen any info about longitudinal force caused by current flow?

doesn't seem to be that widely known in conventional electro-physics, but wire can be made to disintegrate energetically under high current loads - it breaks into segments lengthways - apparently rail-gun experiments have to take this into account otherwise the rails get buckled outwards by the current across the sled/axles between the rails

so - i guess there is an equivalent lengthways force in ANY conductor (plasma/water/copper, etc) - though it might be of interest

[late edit:  ...just seen you've got your switch after the coil - can i suggest you try placing the coil AFTER the relay switch (as in my schematic, i think) & using D2 positioned & polarised as shown there - you certainly won't get any flyback energy from the coil if it's separated from C2 by the switch - other than by sparking across your relay switch - not good!]

cordialement
sandy
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site  http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc

Hi Sandy,

just to be clear about my schematic I just posted. This is the complete circuit I have been using!...so no C2 at that time. All my tests have been with a single cap being flip flopped between bridge and coil.  I will try your recommendations of C2 and inductors in new position and report back later.

Luc