Water for fuel - diesel

[Mark69]

I dont think water, as long as the bonds are intact, will explode until it reaches the temperature of disassociation or when the bonds are broke.  Remember, after if "burns" it turns back into water.  Roy McAlister is supposed to be an expert in the field of Hydrogen.  I dont know if there would be a way to invite him into the forums?

Mark

[ramset]

All going back home tonight   manana will bring the old 240d up to temp     slowly kill the fuel and and set up the water  IV nightlife you chicken its not gonna blow with water [just kidding you use your trucks for your work ] the 240d is nice but im not gonna kill it   I wouldn't do this to one of my dozers or excavaters etc   ChetPS let you know what happens

[nightlife]

ramset,

nightlife you chicken ]

LOL, you are right.

I got to thinking and remembered that diesel is not injected until after compression is created. That is because the compression creates the heat that ignites the fuel. If you add fuel before the compression is created, it will explode before the piston reaches the top of it's stroke and therefore causes the piston to blow back the opposite way.

If water is injected into the air inlet, the cylinder will suck it in and add it to the compression stroke which will create even more compression because the water will take up room that would have been air.

There is only one way I can think of to be able to use water as fuel for a diesel and that is thru the injection process. I posted this next drawing on Luc's thread but here it is again and it could work on any motor that has plugs or injectors.

[pese]

 
If  water  did  explode  at  250 pounds  this  little planet would   be  dust  in  space  .


@nightlife

I have also think. but i bekice that diesel is also not exploding in  constanr pressure from any pressure.
it must be an quick change in pressure (cick / stress) so that
the material HEAT UP

it is the compressing (you see the best by an air compressor). the tube go very hot.

If you "hammer" an steel. it go hot
if ypu bending copper iron  it go hot.

iiif so quicker so hotter in this "pulse-moment"  the  heat change.
THIS can made the explosion from this gases,

diesel motor ist only in prinzip an compressor.
ON Compression at 16 or mor aty, is in this moment /short) the air so hot than .in this moment ijected diesel wir explode in this moment. (Why not water?)


Gustav Pese

[jeanna]

Well so,

The thing about HHO explosions is that they IMplode. They don't EXplode. (Brown's gas.)

I saw a couple of folks ask this one early on last page, but I don't remember anyone actually proving an explosion from water.

And since it is not absolutely clear what it is that the plasma arc is firing (either HHO Brown's gas, or water liquid or steam), we must find that out.


OK now, the first thing to do is to make sure this is an implosion (or prove absolutely it is an explosion) I am sure someone can rig up a spark plug to fit into a plastic bottle and when it ignites it will be easy to see if it is an explosion or an implosion.

IMHO it is also necessary to make sure of this before anybody hurts an engine.

I posted this same thought on some thread last week but I think it is relevant here too.

If you inject the tiny spray of water into the cylinder then time it at BDC (not TDC) with a spark, the whole thing ought to implode. Now, this implosion will reverse the situation in the opposite cylinder and the gaseous HHO should be ready for implosion there etc. (that is because the opposite piston is creating a powerful vacuum when it is forced down the cylinder)

I have said a few times I am not a car guy, so I don't know the lingo and the proper descriptions, so forgive this, I think I described it enough but if not I will retry.

My wimhurst machine is not getting a result and I am not sure how to try this with a pop bottle, I am still thinking.

jeanna