Water for fuel - diesel

[nightlife]

 A member said we should design a HHO set up for diesel and I thought I would start a new thread and dedicate it to designing a HHO on demand set up for diesels and not just small trucks but for semi?s and large diesel tractors as well.

In this following video we have a 14 cell unit designed for a 7.3 diesel. It is not running off just the HHO but I thought it would make for a good start video to help get us going.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jlv0_m7834

I have a fleet of diesel wreckers and I will dedicate one for experimenting purposes. I am not sure which one as of right now but I will look them over tomorrow and then decide.

We may be able to utilize something from the following thread that is being discussed at this time.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.0.html

I also have other links I will provide as time goes by. I have to locate them and I will post them as I find them again. If anyone else has and or comes across links to info that can help us, please post them so that we can all check them out.

I do ask that everyone welcome all comments with the up most respect and I ask that no one put another member down for a idea they have to offer. We are all here for the same reason.

[nightlife]

We all know that diesel engine start ups require a glow plug unless ether is used. I am under the understanding that HHO is more explosive then ether and therefore would not require a glow plug for start up. It will take some testing to confirm my assumption and that will be easy enough to do.

The big problem I see is figuring out how to make the water explode with out using a plasma spark to split and ignite the water molecules.

I am thinking that the glow plugs will have to be removed and then have spark plugs installed in there places. I maybe able to figure a way to modify the glow plugs to take the place of the spark plugs. That will take some thinking but may be worth the effort.

I just remembered that I have a 8.2 out of a bus that I can put on a engine stand to experiment with. We need to start with designing spark plugs to use for the plasma spark that is needed.
I will take out a glow plug and post pictures of it for all to see so that we can all try to figure out a way to modify them for spark plugs.

If anyone has any suggestions, please post them for all to read.

[resonanceman]

nightlife

I am not  sure that  this  is the  right  place for me to  post  my ideas  about  diesels   

In  short I  don't think HHO  is the way to go .   

I am not interested  in   working on a system  to get a little  better mileage  .........I am  looking for   100% water .

The   speed   and power of a diesel  is   controled by the injectors  .......

With  HHO   you  will have to  start  from  scratch  on  speed control ...........

WHy  reinvent  the wheel? .

In  my opinion    the injectors  should be  used as close to  the way they  are normally   used as possible .

If  the power is  to low  ..........adding   water  mist  to the intake  should   raise  the power some .
If the mist isn't  enough  ........or  doesn't seem  to be   involved  in  the  combustion  process   THEN   it is  time to add  HHO  to  even out the burn pattern 


gary

[resonanceman]

Quote from: Tinker on Today at 05:18:40 AM

How would you folks like to rock the world,

Lawn mower motors and old Camaro's are wonderful but if you want to change the world think ''Transportation''

I am talking about the big trucks that move our food and just about everything else we use on a daily basis at four dollars a gallon plus here in the states this has shot the price of food to record levels,

Based on what I have been seeing here the concept and electronics are well on the way to being sorted out.

Rudolf had it right, he created an engine that would run on any thing that contained calories, but he missed H20.

Anyone here willing or able to to take on the conversion of a diesel motor.

I would start with a modified glo plug as a ignitior. The only other issue I see is the injector pump timeing.

But that's what I think.

Be Well
Tinker

Tinker

I  have been thinking  that a diecel  would be  ideal  ......more compression  for more power ........stronger  construction  for  more    Ooppss  factor

In my opinion   it is the perfect motor for  the people  that want to  use a  transformer  system  rather than a modified  standard ignition system .

The  way I see it ........  a rather large  spark gap  could  be set up inside the cylinder  .........maybe   2 copper rings
a smaller  ring  near  the  injector  ........and a larger  ring  just above the  highest  position of the cylinder .
Both  rings  would be   sized to  be right at the edge of the injector  spray  pattern .

The  voltage  would have to be  arrived at by trial  and error .
It would have to be high enough to  jump  the  gap  when  the injector  was spraying ...........but   low enough to  stop  when  the  injector  stops .   

gary

[nightlife]

Hi gary,

I am not interested  in   working on a system  to get a little  better mileage  .........I am  looking for   100% water .

This thread will be focusing on using 100% water as fuel for diesel engines. I will be referring to water as HHO in my comments. If you all prefer, I could just say water but it?s the HHO in the water that makes this all possible. I do however think that the oxygen is what keeps the temperature down and that is a added plus.

In  my opinion    the injectors  should be  used as close to  the way they  are normally   used as possible .

I agree and I see no reason at this time why they would need to be altered. The flow may need to be altered depending on the amounts of water that are required.

If the mist isn't  enough  ........or  doesn't seem  to be   involved  in  the  combustion  process   THEN   it is  time to add  HHO  to  even out the burn pattern

Now that may be an option if needed and we should keep that in mind.

Thanks for your comments and ideas.