Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !

[drsquires]

For those who didn't "get it" in my last post...you get the COP=50  and 20 values this way
50=1/0.02 
and
20 = 1/0.05

I didn't show these simple calculations and should have...sorry.
This is because it's assumed that 95% to 98% of the energy is returned to the resonant drive circuit.

I hope this clears things up on how you get these high COP numbers. 
These numbers are perfectly realistic for a well designed resonant drive circuit.

Cheers,
Dave Squires

[Yucca]

Why don't you build a straight track of washers on a stick.
Along these washers you can easily move two magnets being firmly mounted to keep them from getting stuck to the washers.
It would be enough with twenty piles of washers.

Then test how easily you can move the magnets along the track. Try at different speeds.
Then place some heavy lead or perhaps a non metalic compound on top of each pile to simulate work being extracted. It must be really heavy.
Move the magnets along the track again at variuos speeds and feel the difference.
If there is no force difference I find it very interesting. Then you might have something here.
Until then I rest my case.

Hi Ergo,

Good idea to test for free work in the moving permanent mag version.

I´ve thought about just how to do it so that you can measure work out of the seperation and also check for work taken from the system overall, here´s my idea based on your initial concept:

Build a one degree of freedom swinging pendulum:
A rigid stick with a bearing at the top and an upside down U of steel attached to the swinging end. On each inside face of the U place a magnet so the 2 magnets are in attraction.

On the table directly beneath the pivot point secure a smooth dowel with a mild steel washer array on it. Place a liftable weight on the top washer. The weight should be configured with a ratchet so that once lifted it stays up and the washers are allowed to fall back. This enables you to extract energy (potential energy of lifted weight) from the  system.

Now swing the pendulum by lifting to an exact height and letting go. 2 types of swings should be conducted:

Swing type 1:
The washers should all be taped together to stop them seperating.

Swing type 2:
The tape should be removed and the washers allowed to raise the ratcheted weight.

If after each swing type the the pendulum swung out the other side just as far then the perpendicular work done by the seperating washers would appear to be for free.

Note that if it doesn´t swing out as far then COP could still be over unity but one would need to calculate work in and work out by taking height and weight measurements of pendulum and lifted weight and calculating the input and output potential energies involved.

Yucca.

[AbbaRue]

When I place metal washers between 2 very strong neo. magnets I get the washers separating,
but it takes a lot less energy to compress the washers then it would take to pull the two neo's apart.
I don't understand were this extra energy is supposed to reside?
Unless two of these setups can be created so a resonance effect takes place and the
demagnetization of one coil helps magnetize the other. (Using back emf)

I was looking at a 2 cylinder electromagnetic motor concept.
Energize one horseshoe magnet while de-energizing the other.
Like a teeter toter. While you raise one side it helps lower the other quicker then gravity.
Now if something like this can work so very little energy is lost between the 2 units then OU may be possible.
Just input an initial charge to get the system running and then resonance keeps it going with little loss.
The small amount of loss can be restored from the engine running some type of generator. 

But the energy of separation between the metal plates is much less then the magnetic pull of the electromagnets.
The magnets I used could easily lift a kitchen chair off the floor but compressing the washers
takes a lot less weight then that of a kitchen chair. 
A good experiment would be to build an electromagnetic version of this
and place weights on it to see how much it takes to compress the metal plates to say half there distance apart.
Then record how much wattage it takes to support that amount of weight.
Should be an easy setup for most following this forum.
Then try building 2 of these units and see if you can harness the back emf of one to energize the other while the magnetic field collapses. 
Keep the same weight on each unit as proof of output.
If this works we have a possible new energy source.

[Yucca]

When I place metal washers between 2 very strong neo. magnets I get the washers separating,
but it takes a lot less energy to compress the washers then it would take to pull the two neo's apart.
I don't understand were this extra energy is supposed to reside?

Hi AbbaRue,

If you pull the magnets apart then the energy taken to do the pulling can be got back because the magnets can then be allowed to go back together and that could be fed back into the system.

Imagine two springy plastic rulers stood on end and fixed to the tabletop using brackets. At the top of each ruler is a flat magnet, each magnet in attraction. Now imagine that you pull the mags apart and let go, the whole system will oscillate like a tuning fork. Only damped by air friction and eddy currents in the mags, the system will oscillate and come to rest following a normal decay curve.

Now if the effect is real then the rulers will decay at the same rate even if you load the washers as they seperate and fall back together (i.e. the magnets do not see the loading of the seperating steel) . In theory the energy obtained from the seperating steel could be fed back to mantain the rulers oscillations and it would self run.

edit:
Obviously rulers would not be ideal, too much air resistance, better to use 2 piano wire pairs instead.

Best, Yucca.

[AbbaRue]

Are you using permanent magnets or electromagnets?