Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !

[derricka]

Dave, thanks for sharing these drawings. Seeing a diagram of your magnet motor, many years ago, on jlnlabs.org is what got me started in doing my own magnetic experiments, so I give you full credit. Though I'm sure you are up to your eyeballs in patents and non disclosures, I know many of us here would be interested in a history of your work, and some of your earlier devices.  Anything you are willing to provide, here or elsewhere, now or later, is much appreciated.

[AbbaRue]

@drsquires:
I don't quite follow what your saying.
I know the problem with all the magnetic motor concepts in past is always that last magnet in the circle. (SMOT)
It always takes more power to past that last magnet then the power accumulated while moving around the circle.
I don't see how this is any different. The closer you get to the edge of the washers the stronger the attractive force
between the magnets and the edge of the washer. So to move away from the edge of the washers is going to take
greater force then the attractive force between the edge of the washers and the magnet.
Or you won't be able to pull the magnet away from the washers.
If you don't pull the magnet away from the washers then the stack of washers won't collapse for the next cycle.
I understand the expansion of the washers is free energy.
But to make them separate you have to move the horseshoe magnet into close proximity to them. 
And then to cause them to collapse again you have to move the horseshoe magnet away from them again. 
To move the horseshoe magnet away from the washers will take a certain amount of force. 
This force is not free, it has to come from somewhere. So were is this force coming from?
This is why I mention using 2 units so the attractive force of one is the pulling away force needed for the other.
Or am I missing something important here?
I have a Perm.Magnet style motor here that I can spin by hand so it works as a generator.
But even with no load at all across it, I find it very difficult to turn by hand because of the strong attraction of the PM's.

To sum up my question: How do you balance the system to eliminate this force?
Are there generators out there that have no magnetic resistance to turning them without a load on them?
Could you draw up some form of diagram? 

[wizkycho]

Hi all !

Quadraticaly shaped washers are must !!!
- Round washers wan't work cause they are close to magnets only In two points . that point cause of very small surface emidiately saturate and can not conduct enough flux. so don't make experiments with rounded washers. Much more force will be produced if quadratics are used cause much more flux will pass through them and allso repel one on another with gretaer surface. Whole edge (quadratic) is close to magnet and recives flux, not just one point (rounded).

- quadratic washers allso balance whole setup. magnets easily leaves washer stack cause they are already attracted to another washer stack.

if missed - read posts 89 and 115 see the animation (post 89). It reveals everything the way it should be done -  magnets easily move from one stack to other, if rounded are used it is not so.

before proceeding any further You must understand this.

Wiz

[broli]

What wizkycho just said makes a lot of sense. The only small problem is finding square "washers" :p.

[Yucca]

@drsquires:
I don't quite follow what your saying.
I know the problem with all the magnetic motor concepts in past is always that last magnet in the circle. (SMOT)
It always takes more power to past that last magnet then the power accumulated while moving around the circle.
I don't see how this is any different. The closer you get to the edge of the washers the stronger the attractive force
between the magnets and the edge of the washer. So to move away from the edge of the washers is going to take
greater force then the attractive force between the edge of the washers and the magnet.
Or you won't be able to pull the magnet away from the washers.
If you don't pull the magnet away from the washers then the stack of washers won't collapse for the next cycle.
I understand the expansion of the washers is free energy.
But to make them separate you have to move the horseshoe magnet into close proximity to them. 
And then to cause them to collapse again you have to move the horseshoe magnet away from them again. 
To move the horseshoe magnet away from the washers will take a certain amount of force. 
This force is not free, it has to come from somewhere. So were is this force coming from?
This is why I mention using 2 units so the attractive force of one is the pulling away force needed for the other.
Or am I missing something important here?
I have a Perm.Magnet style motor here that I can spin by hand so it works as a generator.
But even with no load at all across it, I find it very difficult to turn by hand because of the strong attraction of the PM's.

To sum up my question: How do you balance the system to eliminate this force?
Are there generators out there that have no magnetic resistance to turning them without a load on them?
Could you draw up some form of diagram? 

Hi AbbaRue,

I'm not Dave Squires but I wanted to reply to you question.

I'm only just beginning to work with this effect, it took me a while to see the potential magic in this effect, because as you say the attraction of the steel to the mags seems to overshadow the seperation force of the steel. You could try this simple experiment to prove to yourself that cogging in this purely attraction mode system will sum to zero force:

Take a free spinning wheel and attach one small steel washer on its side to it. Have the washer move through two attracting neo poles as it spins. The attracting pole unit should be secured rigidly to the baseboard. Now spin the wheel, the wind down time will be nearly the same as if the magnets aren't there (only difference will be eddy current losses as washer passes magpoles). The cogging is there: the wheel experiences a small speed up as the washer  is attracted to the magnets, the wheel then experiences a small slow down as the washer pulls away from the magnets. This speed up slow down force distribution is symmetrical, it sums to zero so the average angular velocity of the wheel stays the same.

Best, Yucca.