Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !

[Butch]

I found some early videos of Marks tests of a rotary version of the our perpendicular magnetic principle.
Notice all that is needed is a proximity sensor and coil on/off switch to get full 360 degree rotation.
Also, we have a very interesting video coming in the next few days.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
Links >
http://www.fdp.nu/shared/files/ButchLaFonte/Perpendicular%20Magnetics/RotaryPM.mov

http://www.fdp.nu/shared/files/ButchLaFonte/Perpendicular%20Magnetics/RotaryNoSideBars.mov

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7a8rEEAfLM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IpN0oRL-ls

[Butch]

This guy is an electronic genius, we are so lucky to have him in The LaFonte Group.
Thanks, Butch

Hello Mr. Lafonte

Thanks for contacting me again. I am glad to hear you have had success. I have talked to several individuals now have contacted me telling me that they have had recent success in their respective projects. The magnetic effect you guys are taking advantage of has been documented by many of the turn of the century thinkers. Actually Nicola tesla attributed the explosion of thin wires with high amperage currents to this very phenomenon (when the repulsive force of repulsion exceeds that of cohesion the wires blow up). Also it was noted by Walter Russell that magnetism has been wrongly observed noting that it is the repulsive expanding force of the electrical oscillation rather than the cohesive generating force of capacitance. These descriptions fit together nicely, and make sense when one realizes that Tesla and Russell talked. I have to give you kudos though for making use of this in engine form, clever and well done.

While most of my work is in solid state, I am quite versed in various forms of motive power and motor design in general. As you have probably guessed, the ressonance concept could have great implications on your repulsion technology IF the designs are constructed to keep inductance of the powering coil constant (you cannot have varying inductance.





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Hello



Thank you for the invitation,



The effect you are describing is an interesting one indeed. A long forgotten enlightened man Walter Russell observed at the turn of the century noted that science had the magnetic field observed backwards. That in reality it is one half of the electric cycle, representing the disintegration, or dispersing or repulsion. This is a more accurate model when one thinks about what happens inside a natural conductor. For example, when a wire is used to conduct a current, all magnetic domains will be aligned in one direction meaning they will have mutual repulsion. This was observed in the same era by Tesla when he exploded thin wires. The magnetism (repulsive force) became greater than the cohesive force of the material and it flew apart.



This confuses many people because we are taught that magnets attract also. But when one things of them as a dipole, or having two opposite poles pushing away from one another (otherwise they would meet in the center of the magnet which they do not) things make more sense. If the poles are trying their best to get away from one another introducing two magnets together will cause them to attract. The result is that the poles are now able to move further apart, and the central plane where they met is now the equator of neutrality and in their meeting they have become one magnet. Thus attraction evolves out of the repulsive force of magnetism.



Your use of this in motor form is very clever, I tip my hat to you sir.



This is especially useful if you take into consideration the polar opposite of the dispersive force of magnetism, capacity. The two are polar opposites in and of themselves and interchange in rhythm.



You could easily incorporate the concept you have been working on with what I have been introducing people to in the area of electrical resonance. There is no marriage between magnetism and electricity, they are one and the same making this an easy task. If you were to construct a design in which the movement of the plates is created by the action of a coil of wire, and you could construct it so that the inductance of that wire NEVER changes during the cycle of the engine, you would be in business indeed.



I would be glad to help you in this area. I am more of a solid state guy but have designed many motors taking advantage of similar concepts though lack machining skill to have them made.



I am also quite involved in a working model of an atom (what an OU device really should be, a copy cat of natures natural mechanism) and so don't have tons of time to throw into making other things. But, I would be more than willing to join your group and help give direction wherever I can.  There would be an ideal circuit to running your motors, and if you want I can help you guys whip something up.

[BEP]

I watched the videos with surprise. Not surprised at the action by the parts but by the wonder of the experimenter.

When all three parts are installed the middle one pivots because it can and all three are the same polarization. Of course the middle one pivots. It is then they all become magnets of the same polarization. So they repel.
When only the middle one is the only one there it has nothing to repel from on the sides so it remains aligned with the field lines it creates between the poles of the electromagnet.

Exploding wires? Anyone with experience in high power conductors will laugh at this idea. They don't explode. They implode. When the surface area becomes too small to radiate the generated waste heat the wire will vaporize if the current is allowed to continue.

For those thinking heat is a slow process you are in the wrong business.

This is also how to shrink coins, pop cans and how most fuses work.

Exploding because currents of like polarity repell? I'm sorry but gimme a break.

Like charges travelling parallel to each other attract. In the extreme they will cause the conductor to compress or implode.

While magnetism and electricity are bound together as one they are 90 degree opposite sides of the same shrinking coin.

I'm not making this statement to rain on the parade. I would like to see it reach the finish line. Shooting off on tangents like previously posted will prevent success.

[Sudonym]

Oh man, I guess someone should step in and settle this.

Like charges DO REPELL, Wires DO explode due to large currents, and coin crushers are NOT the same thing.

Case in point:
"When the spark gap fires, current rapidly climbs in the work coil, and the rate of change may approach five billion amperes/second. As the work coil current increases, it creates a rapidly increasing magnetic field within the work coil. The natural resonant frequency of the LC circuit that's formed by the capacitor bank and the inductance of the work coil ranges between 8 to 12 kilohertz (kHz). Through electromagnetic induction ("transformer action"), a huge circulating current is induced within the coin. However, because of skin effect, most of the induced current is confined to the outermost rim of the coin, typically penetrating to a depth of only 0.050 inches or less. In clad coins, most of the circulating current actually flows within the better conducting copper center of the clad sandwich than in the outer layers. This causes the center of clad coins to shrink a bit more than the outermost layers, leading to an "Oreo Cookie" effect. Because of Lenz's Law, the magnetic fields of the coin and work coil strongly oppose each other, resulting in tremendous repulsion forces between the work coil and the rim of the coin. The circulating current in the rim of the coin prevents most of the magnetic field from the work coil from penetrating the interior of the coin."

Another quote:

"Because this energy is discharged in approximately 20 millionths of a second, the instantaneous power is very large and, for a brief instant, is roughly equivalent to the electrical power consumed by a good sized city. The repulsion forces between the work coil and the coin create tremendous radial compressive forces that easily overcome the yield strength of  the metal alloys in the coin, causing the coin to plastically deform into a smaller diameter. "

Its our old friend Lenz in these cases, and this is a COMPLETELY different phenomenon that what is happening with the wires, which was actually stated correctly before the comment above.

from...Magnetism in dense hexagonal iron
Gerd Steinle-Neumann,*† Lars Stixrude,‡ and Ronald E. Cohen§

in reference to iron in a magnetic field "magnetism tends to expand the lattice and increase the compressibility as compared with the nonmagnetic state."

Some pictures





These are NOT pictures of implosions. Pieces are strewn about all over the place after the event.


I mean it is possible that one of the most observant and brilliant electrical engineers of all time accidentally mistook an implosion for an explosion, but it would be a stretch.

I believe it is important that people be concice and correct in what they state. People should not have to take time out of their day to correct bad information of others. If left unchecked however, people tend to believe what they read rather than check it out themselves. I do not want to put others down, but doing the required work, and understanding the forces involved in a logical well thought out way is important to understanding. The repulsion of magnetism within wires is well documented and shown to students in most entry college physics classes. Can crushing is a demonstration of lenz law and repulsion between two seperate inducing entities.

I would like to applaud people for crying foul when they see it. but be damn sure it is what you think it is, or you ruin your own reputation.

[Sudonym]

double post sorry