Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !

[Yucca]

@Yucca

Nice work! 

Jason

Thanks Jason, it´d be even nicer if I could build it. I went out this morning looking for technical lego, i was thinking of modyfying it to accept proper bearings, but the only stuff in my local toy shop was kids duplo like stuff I may have a go making it out of good quality plywood and hand tools but it´ll take a few days.

Yucca.

[infringer]

I am kind of lost but ...

Here is my idea using yucca's design...

Imagine if you will a clock

Now think of the operation of this desgin.

Now imagine if you will the wheels of this design are simply driven by 1 load of current say a rechargeable battery running a floppy drive motor so the wheels are gears and the shaft of the motor is modified to turn these gears (The two wheels)

Instead of having say 1 magnet on each wheel let us have 12 magnets on each wheel.

Instead of the magnets influencing 1 piston have them influence 12 pistons at each position on the clock we will have a seperate piston.

These pistons each drive there own wheel and if we wished to delve further these wheels could turn yet more pistons the vastness of this is only limited to your imagination. We could expand wheels to the heavens and create a network of power generation all off of this single fanner magnet load in my mind this principal would work.

http://www.energyinfringer.com/fanner-magnetic-engine-free-at-last-free-at-last-t182.html

Errr I dont get the design that stephan talks of using a cap and a coil hrmmm... I'm curious though...

Sounds interesting cap discharges to create electromagnet in coil? Then Coil fires piston for one cycle. The mechanical load then recharges the cap then the cap discharges again? Is this the deal?

Anyone care to eleaborate further on this idea... With the coils and the cap I know a picture may be a lot to ask but helpful.

[BEP]

Since this is a freedom of ideas forum I'll jump in here and hopefully save some wasted effort of others.

The whole point of this concept seems to be - there are no sticky points - with something using this concept.

If you have sticky points OR must switch things on and off at precise times then you are likely missing the heart of the concept.
The magnet must not see a change in polarity or total flux density at any point in the cycle.

I haven't figured any value for moving washers or other moving ferrous laminations and doubt there is any. I'm currently thinking more along the lines of the newer wind generator designs where the stator is in a ring formation and the rotor is a toroidal form of a horseshoe magnet (segmented, of course).

If I'm correct a generator of this type will always spin freely with no apparent sticky points even by hand no matter how much load is applied, the output will only be pulsating DC, unlike most other generators - it could never work in the reverse fashion as a motor and it will have some bad heat problems.

The best of luck to any that try to patent the idea or claim to be the originator. Something like this is bound to already be in the book somewhere.

[Butch]

BEP,
You are correct about no sticky spots. You have a good grasp of the operating principle.
Butch LaFonte

[spinner]

Oh, there are still sticky points, the wall, cogging, or whatever you want to name the 'conservation payback' which happens in a magneto-mechanical setups...

The 'Force' expanding those washers is the same which makes a centuries old experiment workable - iron fillings on a paper above a magnet. A simple and efficient method for visualisation of magnetic flux "lines"... The denser the flux, the more apparent lines (following a magnetic flux tangents). Or, a relaxation to the lowest possible (overall) potential energy. ..

The question is, could this magnetic effect produce "free work" (using the permanent magnets)?
It reminds me on a SMOT principle, where people only see a "gain" while the ball climbs up-hill ... Or, a fascinating magnetic levitation effect...

The cycling is what makes problems...