Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08

[TinselKoala]

Read the simanek link. Or build one that works. Or show a simulation that does.
In other words, put up or shut up.

"We don't have access to software that can do the physics involved with such a machine."

This statement is also inconsistent with the claim that one is a robotics engineer working for a major engineering firm. If such a firm doesn't have such software, who the heck does?

[TinselKoala]

Tinselkoala,

Do you have to be so rude? You obviously don't understand what is being discussed here. And what does spelling have to do with anything.. this thread was started on a concept. Mondresek is NOT an EE and I myself only have associates degree in EE and many years since classes and theory. The wheel is powered only by gravity, the magnetism only a vehicle for moving the mass of the magnets around to create the out of balance wheel. We were discussing using em to drive the mass of the magnet up to create more efficient wheel, reduce the opposition from the driving magnets, and asking for expertise in design of such a circuit as not to detract from the efficiency of the final output of the wheel. Both Mondresek and I have access to many machine shops as the area we live in is quite the industrial hub of our country. However, he was hoping someone could model this on computer first rather than many hours tinkering with "real" models. We don't have access to software that can do the physics involved with such a machine. He was hoping someone we contact might. If you take a minute and actually look at the "out of balance wheel" that he is proposing, I implore you to tell us why it won't work. That is what we are waiting for.

In the first place, how many threads did mondrasek spam and interrupt with his "announcement"?
Second, I do in fact understand what is being discussed here, evidently much better than you do.
Third, many "wheels powered only by gravity" have been designed over the years, and if you look at the link I posted you will see some of them. How, then, is mondrasek's wheel fundamentally different from those, and how does he overcome the clear analysys of why they don't work, detailed on that link?
Fourth, a working model is the only thing that will convince anybody with any money. I can make a gravity wheel work in the "phun" simulator, for example, and there are other threads on this forum where other people have made gravity wheels work in simulators. It's no big deal, and it doesn't translate to reality. SO get thee to a machine shop.
Fifth, there are lots of circuits for extracting BEMF on this site and on others. It almost sounds like you are asking us to do your research for you.
Sixth, the software. I don't believe that you cannot access such software, because I can, and I don't work for a "major engineering firm."
Seventh, see the simanek page I linked, before your post here.

[dudeman750]

you know of any CAD software that takes into account mass, kinetic energy, gravity, and such? Maybe in some university somewhere but not in an engineering dept!

That link you provided was very interesting but it is based on the premise that the energy gained by the mass shift is nullified by the energy lost in the opposing mass shift. This design may overcome this, we will see. The simplicity of the design is what is exciting. If the mass on the heavy side of the wheel is great enough to overcome the magnetic or EM resistance of moving or "loading" the mass of the magnets into the "mass switch" then it should work, right?

By the way, Mondrasek has in fact been a mechanical engineer for as long as I have known him. He successfully modeled several innovative designs for his company as well. Don't belittle people because you think you know better man, its just mean.

[TinselKoala]

Please do not listen to TinselKoala. If you want to know why something works or doesn't learn it out of experience instead of reading it from the biggest skeptic around. You'll learn nothing from someone who doesn't believe in this stuff to begin with.

Please do not listen to Broli.    If you want to know why something works or doesn't learn it out of experience instead of reading it from the biggest believer around. You'll learn nothing from someone who only agrees with everything you say.

[xee]

@ CLaNZeR
Latch suggestion. Use plastic from plastic container lid or other stiff but still flexible plastic. If plastic just catches edge of moving magnet it should hold it against gravity but the force of the moving magnet should be strong enough to push through it easily. No guarantees but it might work. Playing card could be used in place of plastic just to try it (but I suspect it will not hold up as well as plastic).