Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08

[mondrasek]

All,

Here is the what I can't get past that make the design workable for me.

We know we can make mass switches and fire them at the 6 and 12 o-clock positions.  The stators magnets that cause them to fire have a repulsive force that must be overcome as the magnets in the mass switches approach.  Lets can this force "F" for each stator, so we have 2xF force against rotation of the wheel.

If you start with only two mass switches on your wheel you have a measurable imbalance that will try to rotate the wheel due to gravity.  This force may not be greater than 2xF so the wheel will not run.  But add a second pair of mass switches so that you have four total and the measurable imbalance due to gravity will increase.  However, the repulsive force 2xF did not increase.  Continue adding mass switches as needed until you have an imbalance that exceeds 2xF.  If you run out of room on a given wheel size/configuration, increase the wheel size so you can add more mass switches.

Does the repulsive force 2xF not remain the same?  Is not the imbalance increasing everytime a mass switch pair is added?

Of course there is a lot more going on and I can only theorize with the knowledge that I have at hand.  I am no fanatic who is 100% confident this wil work.  I just have not been shown or learned the reason why this simple logic does not mean it must work.  I would love for someone to show or teach me the flaw so I can just move on.

[Magnet Helper]

Sharing ideas is a great way to brainstorm; however, I am confused about the premise in which these ideas are allowed to exist.  There are only two ideas I can think of 1) being that conventional physics has limitations to its validity, and 2) Gravity is a deletable energy supply.

If #1 is true, then I can understand how someone can ignore the conservation of energy law that states that energy cannot be created or destroyed.  If that is the case, I can understand why there is a high level of interest in this proposed device.

If #2 is true, that would mean that as more people build gravity motors, that people would weigh less because gravity would be depleted.  Clearly, that would make a lot of people happy since they wouldn't have to diet, but doesn't the end result mean people end off floating into space when all gravity is depleted?

I applaud creativity in trying to solve major issues, but my curiosity stems from the lack of understanding to the rules applied to the filtering of ideas.  I would be interested to understand if anyone has taken the time to do an energy balance, and my guess is that this has not happened.  I wonder if it has, if the results have been verified by a second source to check the validity of the calculations.  If the calculations are accurate and there shows to be a net energy output, then I understand the effort.  If they turn out that the energy is balanced, and there is a debate as to the accuracy of the laws of physics then I understand the effort.

My guess is the work done by the magnets has not been done or done accurately.  I have at my disposal, magnetic analysis software that I have been using for 20+ years and I would offer to take the other energy calculations and compare them to the work done via the magnetic field.  I know most people do not understand magnetism, and I am guessing that is the real missing link in why effort is being done to build a prototype.  I am not trying to be discouraging, but I am trying to offer conclusive evidence as to the result

[dudeman750]

The only thing I can add is that the repulsive wall might be considered per degree of rotation. So every time you add a mass switch, yes you are not creating more resistance but it is occuring more often so that would hurt inertia wouldnt it? All these problems will become evident when someone succeeds with an adjustable model to play with. We may find it works better with less tubes or more, it may be a cancelling factor since every tube pair adds another "wall" but yes I see your point in that there is more mass on the heavy side to counter this. If we take the wall out of the equation with pulse electromagnet then it wouldnt matter anyway, but all the ME that I talk to seem to think the repulsion of the 12 and 6 magnets will counter any energy generated by the clockwise motion even with a pulse firing circuit. and when I bring that up, they think even with BEMF circuit that it will consume more energy than the wheel could generate. I think the bottom line is that we need to see it in action in real life to answer all these questions. Im anxious for all 3 of you to complete each of your models.

Im kind of unhappy that TK and Clanzer are not taking to your little switch/catch though. Its too simple and I feel adding latching magnets is just clouding the design. I was picturing a tube style deal like MO came up with but slotted all the way up and down such that you could move your switch/catch on a separate small plate and adjust where the magnet is captured. Also slot and make adjustable the stator magnets as far as space would allow. Then a various assortment of different strength magnets with similar diameter, but diff lenths and densities maybe. I know all this would take a lot of work and cost a bit though. 

I wish I had more formal education on this stuff. Its really interesting to me.

I will be traveling by you today, I can drop off that camera sometime.

Git er dun guys! LOLOLOL

[mondrasek]

Magnet Helper,

Dudeman750 let me know you are his contact that reviewed this yesterday.  Thanks for taking the time and offering to do what I always expected:  Sim or calculate the system.  I welcome your assistance.

Clanzer and TK both love to build.  And both do it when they know why the design will not work due to their own individual passions.

A build was not what I had expected, but I welcome them since noo ne yet had a better way to show me the flaw in this concept.  A sim or explanation of which law of physics this violates (that I can understand) is all I am looking for.  Barring that, I have to pursue.

I do not believe this rewrites any current laws.  If it runs it is due to our miss understanding of gravity as a usable force.

A simple electric motor runs due to the attraction of perminant magnets and electromagnets in a rotor/stator configuaration.  The electric energy is used to create magnetic fields and switch them so that the perminant magnets are in a state of continual attraction.  The elecricity is not the force that makes the motor run.  It is the attractive magnetic field forces, not the electricity that turns the motor.  The perminant magnets do not get weakend by the use of this force.

Gravity is also an attractive force.  We have not been able to make a motor of the same type as the simple electric motor using gravity because we cannot change the direction of gravity.  But if we harnessed gravity in some way I believe it would also not weaken, similar to the perminant magnets not weakening in the simple electric motor.

Just to stem some foreseeable rebutals, I am aware that perminant magnets decay with time and heat, etc. but that is a materials and environment issue, and is not caused by using their attractive force to make a motor rotate.

[Magnet Helper]

If this is a duplicate then I apologize, but I did not see where my last post ended up.

What I was essentially saying was that as a background, I was a motor designer for 4 years so I understand the magnetic/electrical aspects and that I am a PE with undergrad in ME, so I understand the dynamics aspect.  I also have dynamic software simulation capability as well as the magnetic analysis simulation so I should be able to tell you about anything you want to know about this concept. 

I would be happy to model this if you can give me the dimensions and materials. This way, you would be able to have information for making any other decisions.