Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...

[jonesbeene]

Fritz --your intuition on this device could be on target. But everyone seems to be neglecting the importance of cavitation.

The website called "cavitation college" is no longer running, but the Griggs pump is still a big seller, even though cavitation and heat anomalies are seldom mentioned any more by the company selling the pumps. There are a number of Russian companies doing the same- using cavitation pumps for basic heat. Cavitation is not sonofusion per se-  but there is a sound component to it, and the origin of the excess heat is a mystery. There have been reported anomalies for 20 years which have never been adequately debunked - which is not to say that they are real, but it at least that this deserves a closer look.

IF there are heat anomalies with cavitation, then this devices could simply be converting that excess heat into energy via a simple expedient - and with room for huge improvement. Sometimes an inventor can just get lucky and not understand why his device works. That seems to be the case here.

A google search would probably benefit some of the naysayers, since they do not seem to have a clue about cavitation effects and the persistent energy anomalies involved. There are even 80+ hits on this forum for "cavitation" which include the so-called "water-hammer" and the Davey device.

As Fritz opines "Connecting such a powerful pump (which is "rated" for a  2x 3inch connection) to a short 1 inch hose is something the pump was never designed for. Nobody tested it that way because they were for the rush to high flow. Maybe there?s a hyperfast water-vortex inside with an air  bubble - we dont know."

It probably serves no good purpose to continue until more is known, and the new video appears - or else an independent observer is allowed to view it and reports the results - but it should be clear that water with bubbles (not air bubbles Fritz, but cold-steam micro-bubbles, due to cavitation) will be far more buoyant and can rise higher than expected due to the buoyancy - and then if the steam microbubbles condense precisely at the top of the loop (to fully dense water), then on the downside there is a denser flow.  That would be an amazing stroke of luck that he got everything balanced without understanding how, but it is way too soon to write this off as a Mike-Motor fake.

At this point in time it really gets down to whether the guy is truthful, and whether the video is accurate or faked. I believe that he has little reason to fake it - and that he very well could have seen a real anomaly despite the crudeness of the build. At least, why not give him the benefit of the doubt?

And the most exciting part is - that by using a really good Pelton turbine with a shroud and proper buckets, then this thing should be way-better performing than it is now.

Jones

[fritz]

(not air bubbles Fritz, but cold-steam micro-bubbles, due to cavitation)

Hoped somebody would get this understatement ;-)))

I think there are on one hand the cavitation effects - and on the other
hand the special properties of a water vortex as described by
Viktor Schausberger - which work is almost lost  - but photographs
of his machines exists - maybe you can find something with "repulsine".
if u are interested.

Hydrodynamic is a complex business - >
Otherwise somebody would have already calculated the backpressure
we see at T10000 ouput port due to the reduced diameter outlet.
Then we could iterate the flow - and then we can estimate the
physical effects without OU inside.
Then we can discuss about the result -

rgds.

[robertjackson]

@ JD Hardy  I applaude your efforts and hope the best in your endeavors. I think this basic concept has alot of potential and I'm glad to see this concept getting some of the public attention it deserves. Your patent may run into some problems concerning "prior art" but it looks like you have a good patent attorney and you may be able to get around these other patents. These 2 patents were listed as prior art on my patent application 10/136521 (Self Powered Hydro Generator) Filing Date 5-1-2002 The pat# are US 4391097(07-1983) and Japan 58-131372 (08-1983). Even though my own patent app was done very poorly it may also be considered as prior art.My self powered hydro,air generator(10/136063), and electric light generator (10/211041)were all published by the patent office on the same day 9-11-2003,I also tried to design a custom turbine for these concepts(Pinwheel Turbine10/637903) At the time I was very confuse on how to do a patent application and I felt rushed to get on paper because some other people were also filing on some of my concepts(at least that is what they told me)I don't know the status of these other patent apps (I haven't talk to these people since)If any of guys read this (you know who you are) you should e-mail me.You can view my "concept" patent apps and 4 of 6 of my other patent apps at http://www.geocities.com/robertjackson59/hydro.html  Another granted patent that I found may also be considered prior art it is pat# 7023103 If you are required to test a working prototype(like I was) it will have to have it done at a accredited university or at N.I.S.T. (the patent office doesn't do any testing) Your patent attorney may be able to get around this requirement thou. I used a small water cooler squirrel cage as a turbine (something like a Banki Turbine) and connected it to a 5000 watt ac generator and used a pressure washer as the pump (I also tested it with my electric air compressor) I had high rpm's but not enough. I was using the wrong type of generator                                                                                                                                                @Innovation Station I applaude your efforts . I think your Filsinger Turbine is a great design. I been wanting to do a experiment for years and I challenge anyone out there to do it. Stick the nozzle of a electric pressure washer (like your 2500 psi one) and put into a 10 kw hydro generator and see if enough rpm's are generated to run the generator at full potential.(like a electric water motor) I think that this pressure washer could even maybe power this 40 kw hydro generator Example: http://www.bitterrootsolar.com/hydro/canyon.htm  My efforts to get a hydro company to test my theory have failed.                                                                                                                                 @Batman  Great Work                                                                                                                                                    There is no need for anyone out there who has riduculed me on this forum in the past to post anything negative about me or anyone who they may think I'm associated with. If anyone out there wants a copy of the drawings the patent office sent me as prior art (the ones from 1983) e-mail me I'll mail it to you. (I can't do attachments) I'm having computer problems and the local library has time limits so I may not be able to reply in a timely manner to any correspondence  Robert(Rob) Jackson

[jonesbeene]

Fritz: "I think there are on one hand the cavitation effects - and on the other hand the special properties of a water vortex as described by Viktor Schaumberger "

Well yes - that could be true - and take a look at this video of cavitation from a pump impeller - but imagine that the output is  rotated 90 degrees (upwards) and then focused by a cone into a tighter vortex, which, in effect, is Hardy's tube ... which must have a very high percentage of cavitation bubbles creating a very low density of fluid on the rising column, correct?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KExSxt-lo5c&feature=related

IOW a decent percentage of the energy used to raise the mass of water is not mechanical from the pump per se, but buoyancy-related from the transient bubbles. The gain is in the bubbles which apparently are almost 'free'. When these condense, and it must be immediately -- then the falling column has the same amount of water, but at full density. IOW there could be a possible source of gainfulness there due to reduced pumping demands..

I would have guessed a longer loop of tube would be necessary, but then again- if I had done this, it probably would not be self-sustaining ;-)

Jones

[khabe]

@ JD Hardy  I applaude your efforts and hope the best in your endeavors. I think this basic concept has alot of potential and I'm glad to see this concept getting some of the public attention it deserves. Your patent may run into some problems concerning "prior art" but it looks like you have a good patent attorney and you may be able to get around these other patents. These 2 patents were listed as prior art on my patent application 10/136521 (Self Powered Hydro Generator) Filing Date 5-1-2002 The pat# are US 4391097(07-1983) and Japan 58-131372 (08-1983). Even though my own patent app was done very poorly it may also be considered as prior art.My self powered hydro,air generator(10/136063), and electric light generator (10/211041)were all published by the patent office on the same day 9-11-2003,I also tried to design a custom turbine for these concepts(Pinwheel Turbine10/637903) At the time I was very confuse on how to do a patent application and I felt rushed to get on paper because some other people were also filing on some of my concepts(at least that is what they told me)I don't know the status of these other patent apps (I haven't talk to these people since)If any of guys read this (you know who you are) you should e-mail me.You can view my "concept" patent apps and 4 of 6 of my other patent apps at http://www.geocities.com/robertjackson59/hydro.html  Another granted patent that I found may also be considered prior art it is pat# 7023103 If you are required to test a working prototype(like I was) it will have to have it done at a accredited university or at N.I.S.T. (the patent office doesn't do any testing) Your patent attorney may be able to get around this requirement thou. I used a small water cooler squirrel cage as a turbine (something like a Banki Turbine) and connected it to a 5000 watt ac generator and used a pressure washer as the pump (I also tested it with my electric air compressor) I had high rpm's but not enough. I was using the wrong type of generator                                                                                                                                                @Innovation Station I applaude your efforts . I think your Filsinger Turbine is a great design. I been wanting to do a experiment for years and I challenge anyone out there to do it. Stick the nozzle of a electric pressure washer (like your 2500 psi one) and put into a 10 kw hydro generator and see if enough rpm's are generated to run the generator at full potential.(like a electric water motor) I think that this pressure washer could even maybe power this 40 kw hydro generator Example: http://www.bitterrootsolar.com/hydro/canyon.htm  My efforts to get a hydro company to test my theory have failed.                                                                                                                                 @Batman  Great Work                                                                                                                                                    There is no need for anyone out there who has riduculed me on this forum in the past to post anything negative about me or anyone who they may think I'm associated with. If anyone out there wants a copy of the drawings the patent office sent me as prior art (the ones from 1983) e-mail me I'll mail it to you. (I can't do attachments) I'm having computer problems and the local library has time limits so I may not be able to reply in a timely manner to any correspondence  Robert(Rob) Jackson

Dear Mr. Jackson,

I hope you have not paid for electricity past 25 years - you have own Self Powered Hydro electric station  -  how many units you need per house and how many kw/h you have generated for these years?

Best regards,
khabe

PS:
4tesla wrote:
_"What is cool about this device is that it would be very easy to replicate.. only problem is money.  I don't think there is anything special about the generator."_
I can not agree!  How much money?  What is cost of one pump? $300? 500? What is cost of few meters of hose?  Very expensive playwood? No screws ...
No way to find generator? Or does it mean - FREE ENERGY - that all must to be done for nothing - nothing spent, nothing done - just pick your nose and get it free  ...