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Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

Started by hartiberlin, October 04, 2005, 06:54:25 PM

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ResinRat2

Chris,

Just a couple of thoughts on what direction I am going to be working on in the near future. I would first like to duplicate your results and get a stable cell going for a period of time. If the initial bugs are worked out, then I will shift to my 2 liter reactor and start using your configuration and voltage and see if the larger unit can be adjusted to use this system. I have a five watt fuel cell that I can run off the gas so I can achieve the higher voltages you are using. The remaining extra power would be the overunity.

The thing that is always on my mind is if the electrolytes are being consumed. Are we just burning up the OH- ions? Theoretically the electricity should be regenerating them, along with the colloids. So I need to find a way to monitor the pH closely. That will be one of my goals for the upcoming experiments. I have a pH meter, but getting it into the cell for a reading would require breaking the seal each time.

The first few experiments will be on open cells, so that pH I can monitor more easily.

That's my plan for now. Good luck with yours.

Dave
Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.

Tacmatricx

Hi Dave,

How many OH- Ions are present in an 18ml cell :) If it contunies at the current production, It should be dead in a day or two MAX. If it runs for a week maintaining production... I would assume that the materials are constant.

The larger 5W fuel cell may not provide more voltage and you may need to connect two small cells in series to double the voltage. The Wattage consumed by the regen is in the range of 0.1W. That 5W cell could easilly regenerate 50 cells!

I have a bottle of phenophalin solution, 1molar hydrochloric acid and a burette... not as cool as a ph meter but it will work :P so I will start confirming my PH as well at the beginning (I still have a large amount of the electrolyte in storage that was used in this cell) and end of this cell and let you know. If you will be running an open cell the hydroxide at the surface may start absorbing CO2 from the atmosphere and becoming inert?

Good Luck!

Chris

ResinRat2

Hi Chris,

Your electrolyte solution should have a good concentration of OH ions to draw on. If the ions are regenerating during the cells operation, but still not able to fully keep up with their consumption, then the cell will still run for a long time. It will just gradually run down as it continually loses base. That is why monitoring it with a pH meter (or in your case with a standard acid titration) will show a gradual drop.

Honestly, I don?t think the carbonic acid will hurt the cell. The constant hydrogen flow will keep the liquid?s surface protected from carbon dioxide and atmospheric gases. I do the same process in the lab by bubbling nitrogen through my reaction solutions, though hydrogen does go straight up. There is a constant positive pressure above the liquid surface; but it doesn?t hurt to still keep your thought in mind.

To me this is such a unique system of energy interactions; Chemical, Thermal, and Electrical Energies all interacting together in a complex ballet. Using the fuel cells make it self-contained and self-regenerating. To me, it is an absolutely cool system.

Please keep me posted on how your unit?s operation progresses.

Dave (RR2)
Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.

Tacmatricx

Hi Dave,

Will let you know if I notice any changes tonight when I next see the cell. I like the idea of N2 bubbling to keep the other gasses at bay, CO2 is a heavy bastard and would easilly displace the H2 in our case... can't think of any heavier gas we could use other than something like Halon?

If my calculations are correct... 30ml is exactly two tablespoons of electrolyte... I should be able to test in mine what would take longer in a larger cell? If I can keep a two tablespoon cell running for a week or a month... It's gotta account for something :)

Will be posting pics tonight.

Chris

ResinRat2

Quote from: Tacmatricx on August 26, 2008, 04:28:09 PM
If I can keep a two tablespoon cell running for a week or a month... It's gotta account for something :)

What you are doing accounts for very much. I really think your configuration holds a great deal of promise in making this system work. Yes, if you can keep it running a long time then Linnard should give you more than a pat on the back.

Always on my center focus is the potential a working energy technology has in freeing humanity. Whatever it takes, I want something to succeed in this direction. It is our only hope, physically, to avoid a great deal of suffering in our future. We need to pray with all our might, but we still need to do the elbow work. I personally don't care except that all I want is for this, or some other technology, to succeed and not be buried.

It's time I started contributing as well.
Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.