Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

[ResinRat2]

Hi Pese,

I've seen plenty on the Joe Cell before. The things I like better about this Linnard Griffin process is the low voltage and temp.

I am putting together a "Control Cell" just for a reference. It will be an exact replication of experiment #13 with the correct electrodes and colloid concentrations as outlined in the patent. This one I will not alter in any way. Nor will I add DC power to it. I will just add water (de-ionized) to it to keep the liquid level steady. Let's see how long it goes and what happens to it. I'll throw in as many tungsten-carbide electrodes as I have just to maximize the hydrogen output. My goal is to exceed 100 hours of operation. Then let it go as long as I can and see what happens to the cell.

EDIT: Started the cell today (12/26/2006) at 10:00AM United States Central Time. Nice slow steady rate. Using 7 tungsten (1/8") electrodes and One (3/8" X 6") Zinc electrode. Going to let it run until it stops. Only going to add DI water each day to maintain the liquid level. *Voltage=0.837V

Update: (12/27/2006)9:30PM United States Central Time (35.5 hours elapsed) Still going the same rate. Short video. I tapped to get the bubbles going sideways. This is the rate it has been going the whole time. Not dramatic but slow and steady. No power added. *Voltage=0.829V

Update: (12/28/2006) 10:00PM United States Central Time (60.0 hours total elapsed) No change in appearance or rate. Except for some white residue on the upper part of the tungsten electrode. *Voltage=0.827V

Update: (12/29/2006) 9:45PM United States Central Time (83Hours 45min total elapsed time). The rate has visually appeared to remain the same. *Voltage=0.827V. A short video is attached. I will end this experiment at 100 hours (This will duplicate the patent results) and begin testing the two cell, DC circuit that mramos sent me.

Update: (12/30/2006) 2:00PM United States Central Time 100 hours total elapsed time. Rate has not changed. *Voltage=0.827V. I will now end this experiment. I have duplicated the patent results over a 100 hour period of time. The zinc electrode is barely worn, and the cell looks fine. It looks as if it can keep going and going.

*I added some voltage data taken during the experiment. The wiring across the electrodes was removed and each cell was allowed to relax for 5 minutes. Then a voltage across the electrodes was taken.

[Dingus Mungus]

@ Mramos
If I'm not mistaken you need a flash arrestor not a check valve. A check valve allows gas to only pass in one direction but doesn't prevent flash back in the system. I looked arround for a bit and here are some options I have found.

Best price I could find
http://www.hionsolar.com/n-comp.htm

Made for larger gas molecules but should still work well for you
http://store.cyberweld.com/flarandchva.html
http://store.weldingdepot.com/cgi/weldingdepot/DG-A.html

Expensive as hell but state of the art in hydrogen safty valves
http://www.fuelcellstore.com/cgi-bin/fuelweb/view=Item/cat=35/product=964


Are you planning to recycle the exhaust to the electrolyzer also?

[kukulcangod]

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Hi:
    To all , happy new year ,about to go on vacations myself again but anxious about coming back to experiment directly with the more reactive formulas I found again what
Stefan so conveniently had posted before in another related forum, take a look at this I hope Resinrat you are able to do this first , because I'm no expert at chemistry at all.......but this videos are spectacular ,just to save you time looking for the link:

http://www.harti.com/griffin/

Good luck to all.

[ResinRat2]

Thanks K,

I've seen all these already. I think if you are looking for a more reactive experiment then experiment #22 in the patent might be a good try. It is described as almost "uncontrollable".

I am going to do a variation of it in the future but I want to avoid the acid approach. I prefer using strong base like NaOH because it doesn't have the unpleasant odor of the acids. Especially when I am doing these experiments at my home location. All I need is extra chlorine or sulfur odor to add fuel to an already agitated wife. (lol)

Mine has been going 72 hours now and still has not changed (visually) in gas production. Once I prove this "control" experiment is stable past 100 hours then I will begin experimenting with an DC circuit that mramos is sending me. Then I plan on adding a fuel cell to the mix (like Dingus Mungus's idea ) and see if we get a self-powered hydrogen-fuel cell unit that is overunity and has some decent output.

I don't have any plans to "burn" hydrogen. The goal here is a unit that produces electricity overunity, and recycles the water back into itself.

Have a happy and safe New Year everyone.

[ResinRat2]

Hi everyone,

Quoted from post #181 on 12/30/2006:

Update: (12/30/2006) 2:00PM United States Central Time 100 hours total elapsed time. Rate has not changed. *Voltage=0.827V. I will now end this experiment. I have duplicated the patent results over a 100 hour period of time. The zinc electrode is barely worn, and the cell looks fine. It looks as if it can keep going and going.

*I added some voltage data taken during the experiment. The wiring across the electrodes was removed and each cell was allowed to relax for 5 minutes. Then a voltage across the electrodes was taken.