Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

[dean_mcgowan]

should the concentration of water be allowed to dimish and would this not change the colloidal concentration.

ie, if the water concentration is continually kept at a constant does this maintain the balance for the reactants better ?

Apologies in advance if this is a niave or illinformed comment.

[ResinRat2]

Hi Dean,

Actually, you have a good point. The reduction of the water would increase the colloid concentrations (ppm) in relation to the surface area of the electrodes. As the water level drops, the surface area of the electrodes also reduce. This would lower the rate at which gas is produced as well. So you would have a double change. I will need to look more closely at the reactions to see which are favored by this change.

Keeping the fluid level constant would help eliminate this shift in the equilibrium of the cell. I don't know if this is relevant but the cell stopped working for me after it had lost over 20% of its initial volume. That is when I noticed the plating on the electrodes for the first time. That was after it was left to run unattended for 40 hours or so. I didn't keep the fluid constant because I wanted to measure the water loss. This is very interesting.

I love this forum. Thanks for bringing this up Dean. I will have to look into it more closely. This may be a MAJOR variable that I never thought about.

Unfortunately, am very tired right now and need to get to sleep. I will try to look more closely at this tommorrow.

Your idea too Dingus of increasing the Ag concentration. This would push the equilibrium as well. I just can't think straight right now which direction it would favor. I will have to think about it tommorrow (or in my dreams).

Good Night all, thanks for all your ideas and interest.

[Dingus Mungus]

Dean, this is exactly why its aways good to work in groups. Thank you very much for your keen observations. This patent is very interesting I'm still trying to digest [0055]-[0058] right now. wow...

I'm going to try to obtain a cheap fuel cell so I can try to close the loop for safety and reaction medium ballance. It would probably be safer that way for anyone else whos not working with a hood. I've found some sites today with H2+Air fuelcells and its kind of expensive but worth having I suppose. If anyone else knows of a cheaper site to obtain a fuel cell from, please let me know.

Fuel cells (H2+air)
http://www.fuelcellstore.com/cgi-bin/fuelweb/view=NavPage/cat=61/sort=price
http://www.minihydrogen.dk/catalog/shop.php?cPath=57_50

As long as I'm posting that, I might as well post info on the other supplys...

NaOH
http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/SLS2503
http://www.chemicals-finder.com/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=12

Colloids Ag and Mg
http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver_price_list.htm#Mesosilver500mL
http://www.kellycolloidalsilver.com/site/694355/product/kcs8oz
http://www.silvermountainminerals.com/magnesium.html (needs dilluting)

Please feel free to quote and add to this list.

I'm still waiting to hear back about the WC rods... I'll let you guys know soon.

[ResinRat2]

Hi everyone,

I was looking over the 350ml/min video and maybe the idea of worring about consuming the zinc is not that important. It didn't seem like his reaction rate was hurt by the loss of water either.

The idea of replating the zinc by the input of power, say if it is an automobile, could be powered by the alternator; but I noticed when the zinc was replated during my oxygen generation it deposited on the electrode with a very irregular shape. The replated zinc also fell off the electrode with just a little jarring of the container. This would then be useless since it would not be in contact with the electrical connection and just be sitting on the bottom of the container..

I think I will begin looking at this from the point of view of maximizing the hydrogen generation and not worry about sacrificing the zinc. I was thinking that my galvanized nail didn't cost much, and it would have been easier to just replace it with a new one than to hook up a battery to reverse the current flow.

Thanks for your interest.

[ResinRat2]

Dingus,

I'm glad you are reading over the patent. It is a great piece of work. Linnard put so much important information in it that it will take me time to digest it all.