Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

[hansvonlieven]

How can we avoid the platinum plating ?
It is very expensive.

Not true Stefan,

I used o get a lot of rhodium plating done (same price as platinum) and it cost only marginally more than gold plating.

The trick is to find someone, preferably a smaller company, that is prepared to do small quantities. We are nor talking about big electrodes, say a meter long or so, that would be a problem since platinum plating is usually done by companies that plate jewellery and their tanks are not huge.

I would be surprised if it cost more than five or ten dollars an electrode if you have five or ten done at the same time. This is quite affordable especially when some people charge 10 dollars a foot for platinum plated wire.

Hans von Lieven

[walterj7]

Hi RR2 (Dave),

I talked to www.Alfa.Com to day about buying their hexachloroplatinate plating solution. They have a product number 40177 with a description
"Dihydrogen hexachloroplatinate(IV) solution, Pt 20% (cont. Pt)" http://www.alfa.com/CGI-BIN/LANSAWEB?WEBEVENT+L0E24B64190008400C032031+ALF+ENG. apx $97.50 was today's price for the .5 gram solution (about 3 grams total solution).
They told me there was also a HazMat charge of either $11 (2day) or $17 (overnight-1day) from DHL as well as regular shipping fee.
The only other requirement is they only sell to a company and require payment via the company credit card.

Simple solution to a not to complex issue would be as here, I don't know about you, but here if you have a bank relationship you can open an account in a business name and fund it for a few hundred dollars and have them issue a Visa (Debit/Credit) card in that business name. Use that Card to purchase your hexachloroplatinate  and be your on your way...

Regards,

Walterj

[ResinRat2]

Simple solution to a not to complex issue would be as here, I don't know about you, but here if you have a bank relationship you can open an account in a business name and fund it for a few hundred dollars and have them issue a Visa (Debit/Credit) card in that business name. Use that Card to purchase your hexachloroplatinate  and be your on your way...

I am going to say no on this. Getting a business account under a non-registered bogus business name just to side-step federal hazardous material control laws doesn't sound like a good option any day of the week. In fact, it sounds like a criminal act.

NO THANKS!!!!

[hansvonlieven]

G'day Walter,

hexachloroplatinate plating solution is only a small part of the story. Electroplating is an art, actually quite a difficult one. To get a satisfactory coating without adhesion problems and pinholes is not as easy as it sounds. The metal has to be prepared meticulously before proper plating can take place. The chemicals required to do this are as difficult to obtain as the plating solution.

Even then, to create the properly buffered solution and to have the correct current going through is not simple either.

It is OK to do this as the science teacher suggested and it will work for a while, until the plating peels off or the electrolyte gets contaminated through the pinholes. This is not a job for amateurs, believe me.

Better to get it done by someone who knows what they are doing.

Besides, by the time you get all the stuff together you need you will be far more out of pocket than sending it to a plater in the first place.

Hans von Lieven

[walterj7]

I think you should think first before you speak of things you know little or nothing about.

On this subject I'm something of an expert. I've been in and out of business since I was 16 years old.

Not to sure what's bogus about declaring your R&D activities a tax deductible activity (business expense et all) but it's defiantly NOT BOGUS or criminal.
A business is defined by American Heritage Dictionary as:
a NOUN:
   1.   1. The occupation, work, or trade in which a person is engaged: ie: the wholesale food business.
         2. A specific occupation or pursuit: the best designer in the business.
   2. Commercial, industrial, or professional dealings: new systems now being used in business.
   3. A commercial enterprise or establishment: bought his uncle's business.

What you and others have been doing (research and development) in the world of Hydrogen surly qualifies as Business Activities.

The income or profit component (which I assume you identify as missing) is NOT any requirement for a business.

Plenty of Business loose money regularly and sometime for years at a  time. The IRS allows you to loose money for 5 years straight and still be called a for profit business. If you go the 6th year loosing money then the IRS declares you a NOT for Profit Business.

But your actives are considered Business Activities, just NOT for Profit Actives.

Point in fact (I'm pretty sure) that's how and why Dingus was forced out of doing hydrogen activities at his rental property.

In most states of the united states all you need do is declare your actives to be a business. Maybe file a DBA (Doing Business As) certificate if you call your self for business activies by any name other than your real name, like "resinrat2 R&D". But this is NOT required when you use your own name ie: David xxx Hydrogen Research.
And BTW if you did have to file a certificate to do business as and don't, all that happens is that you can not defend your self in a civil (Law suit). Your business is NOT declaired Invalid, Bogus or Deceptive etc. (check with your lawyer about legal matters before you give legal opinions). To collect money, i.e. charge for your actives you may or NOT have to obtain an occupational license as your jurisdiction requires. But this is, if required at all, would only be to engage in business with others


Also doing business interstate or over the web in most instances, with the exception of legislative restrictions (such as drugs and gambling, EPA etc) is NOT licensed or regulated inter-states. The  States have Reciprocal laws allowing trade between them.

(BTW/ who wants to circumvent the HazMat laws? All you have to do is pay the $11 or $17 hazmat fee and keep an accurate log of your disposition of the materials!)
Yeah it all sounds to hard for someone who wants to change the world, yeah right!!!!...

But most importantly I resent the implication and out right accusation of dishonesty, fraud and feel pretty disgusted about the whole thing of even trying to source the material for you.

Definitely with very little respect left,

Walterj