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Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

Started by hartiberlin, October 04, 2005, 06:54:25 PM

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ResinRat2

Hi Everyone,
I've got a good one for you. I was looking into developing the internal fuel cell for this hydrogen reactor system and wanted to base it off the fuel cell I saw on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cQg0Ur9Cko&NR=1

Looks great, right?

The only problem: I cannot purchase the dihydrogen hexachloroplatinate hydrate that is used in the video to electroplate a piece of metal screen.  Why? It is classified as a hazardous material and can only be purchased by companies or corporations.

So I had a brilliant idea, ask my supervisor to use my company to send it to and I would pay for it. His response, (and he is a nice guy and a great supervisor so there was no malice involved here) NO! Due to it being classified as a hazardous material the company would be legally liable for any injury I may sustain in its use.

So there you have it. Another roadblock in the development of this technology.

The only other options I can think of are to purchase platinum wire directly, or purchase the platinum catalyst from fuelcellstore.com that is in premade form. I am not sure what they look like because no picture is shown.

This kind of puts a damper on how to design the larger reactor, or even how to proceed at this point.

Frustrated. Need to think what to do next.

On a positive note, the reactor passed 140 hours running this morning around 4:30AM US central time. Looks good. Voltages are steady. Cruisin' along.

Thanks for your interest.

Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.

mikestocks2006

Quote from: ResinRat2 on October 31, 2007, 11:43:33 AM
Hi Everyone,
I've got a good one for you. I was looking into developing the internal fuel cell for this hydrogen reactor system and wanted to base it off the fuel cell I saw on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cQg0Ur9Cko&NR=1

Looks great, right?

The only problem: I cannot purchase the dihydrogen hexachloroplatinate hydrate that is used in the video to electroplate a piece of metal screen.  Why? It is classified as a hazardous material and can only be purchased by companies or corporations.

So I had a brilliant idea, ask my supervisor to use my company to send it to and I would pay for it. His response, (and he is a nice guy and a great supervisor so there was no malice involved here) NO! Due to it being classified as a hazardous material the company would be legally liable for any injury I may sustain in its use.

So there you have it. Another roadblock in the development of this technology.

The only other options I can think of are to purchase platinum wire directly, or purchase the platinum catalyst from fuelcellstore.com that is in premade form. I am not sure what they look like because no picture is shown.

This kind of puts a damper on how to design the larger reactor, or even how to proceed at this point.

Frustrated. Need to think what to do next.

On a positive note, the reactor passed 140 hours running this morning around 4:30AM US central time. Looks good. Voltages are steady. Cruisin' along.

Thanks for your interest.

Hi ResinRat2,
Yep, liability can be a problem and fully understandable.
May I suggest another approach to platinum interface:
Contact the following<
either
Platinum fine/extrafine wire mesh manufacturers, (mesh, gauze, expanded metal mesh or sieve product companies) eg http://www.uniquewire.com/metals/plat.cfm
or
Platinum Metalized poly( ester, propylene, ethylene etc) also static shield  manufacturers.
Metalizing/sputtering thin film companies usually usue Al but they can apply just about any metal. Try CPFilms, 3M, or Technimet if memory serves correctly, there are many others.

Ask for small samples to use for testing. Using your company's name/clout usually gets results and samples are shipped almost 100% of the time.
The first maybe more expensive if they require token payments. The metalized thin films might be easier to get depending on coating thickness in angstroms eyc. If you are willing to pay you may even get better quantities and results.
There are many companies out there.
These are non toxic and can be shipped in a standard envelope.

I hope this helps


hartiberlin

Hi All,
we have to get rid of the platinum as the catalysator in a fuel cell.

I have the feeling, that it would work with a slight silver coating on high surface graphite beads.

Has anyone tried this yet ?

Regards, Stefan.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

ResinRat2

Hi Stefan,

I'll try anything to get a less expensive alternative.

How could this be done, or how could this be tested for proof-of-concept? Anybody have any idea? I have a hydrogen generator running right now so I have plenty of hydrogen to play with.

I can purchase silver wire for use in soldering. It is almost pure silver. So how could this be set up to prove that it could work? Anybody have an idea for an experiment? How do I combine silver and carbon to test this?

I appreciate the input Stefan.
Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.

ResinRat2

What about all the silver colloid in the reactor itself? Could this maybe be used somehow to combine with carbon or something else.

An internal fuel cell built off the hydrogen and silver colloid in the electrolyte solution itself? What a concept.

I need some ideas people. Let's all brainstorm for some ideas.

I appreciate the input!!! Thanks.

Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.