SM expose'

[HEYDUDE]

Please post any doubts, findings or detective work that could expose SM, his devices, his supposed communications with Mannix,  the engineers reports etc in this thread. It messes up people's heads and pisses them off when you expose their religion, so here is the proper place to do it, not in their temples.


Regarding the SM TPU devices

1. The first unit (spool) never produced any power into a load. It gave some readings on a voltmeter. Easily faked with a small oscillator and watch battery.

2. The open TPU is highly suspect because of the short duration lighting of lamps with rather large bases that could easily hide a simple, efficient boost converter and some batteries. If you don't want to use the boost converter, you could substitute 12 volt RV lamps. There is possibly a little slight of hand going on here. The wall outlet is disconnected from the mains and shorted. Plugging the lamps into the wall outlet just completes the circuit between the hidden batteries and the boost converter. Notice that SM never really tests the output of the device (which also is a short and completes the circuit like, the wall outlet). Rather he has a special speaker connector where he measures a voltage from a tiny oscillator. Hello.

3. The smallest three inch unit can be built by winding the boost inductor over the hidden batteries in a toroidal form. Note the form factor of the coil.. This will cause heating due to the lossy core material (the metal casings of the 9 volt batteries) and vibration,but if the frequency is kept low enough, it will work.The same goes for the 7" TPU.

4. The 17 inch unit. Now it gets more interesting. Wattsup pointed out the possibility of a deceptive raised base that could hide many cubic inches of batteries. Alternately the batteries could have been hidden within the large core of the device.

5. The test reports as posted on OU are highly suspect and would never hold up in a court of law. Where are the signatures or e-mail tracers. These are not scanned original documents. Someone could have made them up. Who edited out the signatures or e-mail tracer info?

6. There is no proof whatsoever that whoever was communicating with Mannix was SM. It could have been anyone.
Why did SM use the least secure unencrypted communication method if he was "sweating bullets" that his stipend might be revoked. There are many more secure methods of communication. Yet even after supposed "dire warnings" from government people SM continues to post "clues". Hello again

7. SM so wants to help everyone that he risks his cushy stipend time and time again by communicating with Mannix. Yeah right. Wake up people. He could walk into any internet cafe and post the real deal anonymously anytime if he really wanted to help anyone. While SM sits in his plush mansion sipping cognac, little old ladies will freeze or starve to death this winter with a choice: food or oil, while oil corporations reek all time record profits as of this writing.

8. Despite the allusions of Mannix, Marco and the like no one has or will post a pdf document of a self runner as seen in the videos, with thesis and detailed construction plans, because no one has one. Period.

9. Even if SM came out and said " Yeah guys, I faked the whole thing. It was a scam. I did it for money" chances are these words would be forgotten, so fervently is the religion established, the legend of the TPU will live on like the ARK of the Covenant......and just like the "Turbo Coil".

10. Jack Durban, a really savvy engineer witnesses the revolutionary technology firsthand and is given an opportunity to work on it. But he quickly drops this groundbreaking circuitry to work on "other things" for ten or more years. Helloooo.

11. The only good that will come of this misadventure is that hope to produce a dream will be instilled in the minds of good hearted people here that wish to make a positive change in the world.

12. Most of the communication between the supposed SM and Mannix is most likely misinformation designed to lead you away from the goal. If you are to use anything, use the videos. Most likely SM's stipend will continue as long as he can obfuscate, that's why he does it openly in e-mails he knows will be posted to the world. Remember SM's last few posts: I have told you about my suspicions regarding the fact that I have wound up in a poor state and cant even sell my technology because of my original involvement with the company UEC, and etc. I have come to the conclusion that I am just where the oil companies arranged for me to be.......
It is fucking obvious......


I fully expect to get flamed for this. I will regard it as nothing more than the writhing reactions of any religious fanatic when real history or truth threatens their sacred belief system. So bring it on. ("so why are you here yada yada")

[HEYDUDE]

If these notes seem repetitive, they were written at different time periods as part of my gumshoe work.....apologies for that.

Part 2

A good detective likes to ask why.

Why would SM expose himself on the internet with emails , time and time again, after repeated warnings from UEC, the US govt, his lawyers etc communicating to Mannix little jewels of information that have proven so far to be totally useless.

There are so many more secure methods of getting information to Mannix (or anyone) that would be well cloaked.

There are so many ways he could supply the information to Mannix (or anyone) that would be totally untraceable.

Answer: The ruse is used to distract people from the true simplicity of the device and is the real goal.

Why does SM continually imply "I'm going way out on a limb here (by supplying tidbits), I could lose my pension from UEC"

Answer: This ruse adds value to the information. Someone, possibly SM is being paid to plant the disinformation. Everytime a crumb drops from the masters       table, there is a literal swarm of activity in that direction.

As an example, SM could simply mail the info anonymously to a friend of Mannix with inner instructions to deliver to Mannix.
It could be postmarked from almost anywhere in the world easily by "letter and instructions within letter and more instructions".
It could be coded with the key being sent later.

Even after the government meeting and further warnings, SM (or someone) continues to supply tidbits sometimes cloaked in poorly designed metaphors, totally uneccessarily.

It's quite possible that Mannix is not even communicating with the real SM.  We have no proof he is who he says he is.

The whole game that has been played over the last year or two is actually quite transparent if you step back far enough from it.

Email is the most easily watched,  most easily intercepted method of communication unless it is encrypted, which I'm sure their correspondence is not.

[HEYDUDE]

Part 3

Some food for thought from the hovercraft

Note: "SM" is used in quotes because we really don't know who the entity communicating with Mannix really is. We have no proof.

From SM (Sun July2 2006 to Lindsay):  The point is, I have been wondering as of late if perhaps certain people involved directly with my project may have made deals for money in exchange for their assistance in sabotaging the project.
I am not entirely talking out of my hat, because I have seen several unexplainable occurrences in the past, involving my company killing deals for no good reason.


For openers here is the government meeting email from "SM" to Mannix as posted on Gn0sis "private" thread

Dear Lindsay,
I have some very important things to tell you.
First. My attorney left several messages for me over the last week. I finally called him on Friday and he informed me of the fact he needed to set up a meeting with me in his office in as soon as possible and that I needed to be prepared to meet with someone from the federal government..
I was shaken to the bone! He also told me that I was not to mention my future meeting to anyone including the following: Paul, anyone with UEC, anyone on the Internet including you, my family, the press, or anyone in the communication business, my elected representatives and etc.
It sounded as though he was reading a list off to me. He said that, he was.
I told him i was a little scared to show up.
He said that he understood my fear but it would be in my best interest to get into his office Monday and he would do his best to protect me.
I asked him what i needed to be protected from?
He said he had to respond to the authorities about their concerns regarding my possible breaking of federal laws.
He said that the charges could be very serious against me and he needed to keep things from getting out of hand.
He told me that he convinced them (the federal authorities ) that I was not intentionally breaking any laws or going against their wishes in any way. He assured them that he would get me into his office for them to talk to and they would see for themselves that I am a nice little guy who would never knowingly break the law.
So off i went this morning to my attorneys office in hopes of not getting arrested and placed into prison. I don't think I would like prison, Lindsay...
The first thing there I was taken into a room by my attorney and told what not to say to the Feds. Also, I was told what to do if I was arrested, etc.
So I was fully scared to death!!!
Next, I was taken into the meeting. Therein was my attorney and his secretary with note pad in hand. I was introduced to three gentleman in business suits. One was from the FBI, ( Federal Burrow of Investigation ), one was from the Atomic Energy Commission of the federal government and the other was from the Federal Department of Justice, Washington DC.
I now had to go to the bathroom at this moment of my life more then ever!!!
I sat down and listen to the man from the FBI remind me that I had been given a document from the federal government several years ago informing me of the fact that I no longer had control of my power technology because it had been deemed to be in the interests of the American people for it to remain in the control of federal authorities and that I was not to talk about it directly with other people, especially nationals of foreign countries without permission from the folks in Washington DC. He also reminded me that to do so would be breaking the law and committing a federal offence, which is a big thing here in America.
He went on to tell me that he was there in official capacity as an investigator from the FBI to see if i had indeed broken the law.
Why had I broken the law?
Because I had been discussing my technology with other people without the permission of the folks in Washington DC.
I asked them how they knew that I had spoken to people about my technology and they told me that: First of all, it was not MY TECHNOLOGY. I had no rights concerning it at all. It is under the control of the federal government for the benefit of the people of the United States.
Second, The ownership of the technology is highly questionable. Third, Do not play games with us Stephen, you know we know that you have been discussing the technology with anybody who will listen!
They further accused me of deliberately posting information on the Internet. I said that I absolutely had not!
The man from the FBI said that i had been collaborating with a foreign gentlemen in Australia to post information and therefor had been involved in a conspiracy to dispense information which is against the law for me to do.
Then he pulled out a rather large stack of papers which turned out to be copies of everything posted Internet wise about my technology for the last ten years or whatever.
Then my attorney interjected and they got into a long discussion which i didn't listen to very much. I was looking at the man from the Atomic Energy Commission and noted he had a kind face.
He smiled at me and we began to talk.
He told me that he admired my work very much. He told me that he thought of me as a fellow scientist. He told me that as scientists we had an obligation to protect people from our findings or things we discover if they may be generally harmful to them or the public at large.
He told me that it was the duty of conscientious scientists to keep the black genies in the bottles so as not to harm society any more then necessary. He mentioned the Atomic bomb and how much better the world would be if it never had been invented, right? I said , right!
He went on to discuss my technology in detail and reminded me of the destructive capability when the devices reach harmonic perfection. I told him that was a good analogy, or way of putting it.
He told my that he didn't think I wanted to be responsible for giving out information making it possible and moreover inevitable that someone would make a big crater of a hole where their house used to stand with resulting death of themselves and possibly their families and neighbors too.
He finally finished up with, And for God sake, with the terrorists hunting for weapons of mass destruction, why on earth would you want to hand them something like this to use to kill perhaps many millions of people? Do you think Moslems are not interested in this technology? They have a lot of oil so they would be interested in it for another reason wouldn't they Stephen?
I agreed with him and told him I hadn't thought of it in that perspective before. I told them all that I wasn't trying to do anything wrong at all. I didn't realize the implications of the possible results of talking to you about the technology. I told them that you were an engineer and interested in the scientific possibilities of the discovery only.
The agent from the FBI said that I had no real way of knowing who you were and what you might actually be up to did I? I agreed with him. He said that they read everything going into and out of your computer wether or not anything is posted on that web site we guys like so much...
He said that the Australian government was allied with the United States regarding this matter and that the Australian authorities would deal with you as need be.
However, lets hope it does not become necessary shall we? Yes of course I said?
I said, I never meant to get into trouble with this. I told them I just felt bad because of all the nasty things people were saying about me and that i starting talking to you and you said that you would try and tell the straight story about me and the technology. I have a right to defend my self don't I?
The answer was, NO! I am not entitled to defend myself. What i need to do is, to feel good about doing the right thing. I need to do what my government tells me is good for me to do. I need to develop pride in making the correct decision to keep quiet about technology that may hurt other people or even help terrorists to kill many, many others.
I was told that With knowledge comes responsibility!!!
I told them I never intended to do anything wrong. I was sorry. I asked them to please forgive me and not to put me in prison. They said they could prefer charges against me at any time but are reluctant because of my well meaning attitude as displayed during the meeting.
They told me that It would be a good idea if I told you to post information saying that I had no intention of revealing anything about my experiments or how the demonstrations were accomplished to the extent that they convinced so many people of their authenticity.That the demonstrations were more for amusement then anything else and that I am making it very clear that I never intended to convince the public at large. People attempting to duplicate anything they have seen in my demonstrations will not be able to do so and should not try.
I asked them if I had their permission to tell you about today and they said yes of course.

So........... that is what happened to me today.
How was your day Lindsay?

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Apparently "SM" contacted Stefan Hartmann, moderator of the Overunity site.

quote from post #13 Feb3, 2006 by Hartiberlin (Stefan) in "Master of Magnetics"

"Steven told me, that he was approached and harrassed by US agencies and he was told to keep his invention secret and shut up about it, 'in the name of national security'. So he had a fear to publish anything. I wonder if he had to hand over any of his tech to the agencies and if it is used now already in black projects ?"

If Stefan wanted to double check, he could have logged his IP and found his approximate address, then checked area directories to find out who was living at that address. Was this done?

So if Steve Mark did indeed invent an energy machine that could threaten the status quo security of the US (economic security, oil security, Rockefeller security etc.) and if the power brokers learned of this, Steve Mark would have been given a very few choices by them.

He could agree to shut up and never speak or write another word of it to anyone. He would be told that if he refused he could watch as his family members one by one disappear or die under strange circumstances, mysterious illnesses, accidents etc. This threat alone would silence any man, as the desire not to put our family in harms way is paramount, regardless of our own courage or altruistic desires to "save the world". Remember SM claims he was "scared to death" by the event.

Are we to believe that "SM" was really contacted by the US government, had a meeting with them, lawyer present, was told not to disclose any  more information about the operation of the TPU,  yet goes on to "feed" Mannix information or a nod from time to time? The NSA could easily track the approximate location of emails to Mannix.  If the whole story were true, "SM" wouldn't risk this.

To sweeten the gag order "SM" could have been given a lucrative but revocable stipend to obfuscate the existing and any emerging information. Send everyone on a wild goose chase, scatter the herd and derail any activity that gets close to the truth. He will be a paid policeman with a new job.  He will be asked to monitor the internet websites that work in this direction, and should anyone get too close, pressure will be brought to bear on them in the same manner. In this way the most knowledgeable will be put to work policing the situation. Has anyone noticed there are a few posters who seem to be derailing nearly every thread with nonsense? This could just be coincidence but...

Somehow, the videos got out. No one really knows how or the source. Assuming the TPU a real energy device most of the video's could have been confiscated by the government early on when first made and when Prof. Schizinger was brought on board. Professors usually report up the chain of command what is going on in their labs, even if not a formal report, there is always the "buzz". A clandestine set of copies were made by someone, but the government agents never got hold of these. They were released by some "good" person or persons that wanted the information to be posted to the internet shortly after high profile sites like Google Video and Youtube became available in order to stimulate work in this direction.

A good detective would ask a few questions, such as:

a) How many copies of the videos actually exist in the world and if there are more than one set why have not one person come forward with clearer copies and posted them to the internet? Who were the videographers (obviously inept* and unprofessional), worse than home videos by the untrained.

* I would have used the word "amateur" but this is from the Latin translated loosely "one who loves what they do" and no one who loves what they do could have made such bad videos.

b) How did Mannix get his copies? Who was his initial contact for them

From his story and in his words, quote

"A few months later (1996) the same friend came to me and showed me a video of the device running with a well-spoken person called Steven doing the demonstration"

and where does this trail lead? Where did "the same friend" get the video?

and according to Mannix "somebody else (jeremygaul?) posted some earlier demos of the same type of devices with Steven Mark showing the process."

Question:  Who is the somebody that posted them?(jeremygaul?)  Also wouldn't Mannix want to follow up on the source  to see who posted them and where they got the videos? This information is not offered by Mannix.

c) How did Mannix first come to communicate with Steve Mark. Who initiated contacted whom. And why? If Lindsay wrote emails to "SM" as he claims, then he somehow knew  or came to know of "SM's" email address.

Lindsay goes on to say rhetoricaly "how do I contact Steve Marks?"

In Lindsay's words "Then I finally made contact with Steve, who recalled it very much like I had" but Lindsay never explains how he came to find SM's email address.

d) Why would SM even care to view activity on the Overunity site unless he saw the videos someone posted on Google or Youtube, which give Overunity as the source.

e) Why can no patent applications pertaining to the device be located. The "patents" were presumably sold to UEC. They should be a matter of public record. If SM's name is on the patents, they should be locatable.

f) Why are none of the engineering reports or letters from Prof. Schinzinger signed copies? Why would someone spend the time to type these reports and letters word for word into an email to send to Mannix. PTX format is given as the excuse.

Yet when posting a letter from "SM", and nothing of his , Mannix apologizes in reply #30 Feb 4, 2006 "Master Of Magnetics thread:

quote "Excuse the typos  Mine as well !"  This statement seems to imply that Mannix was was indeed typing the long letter into his computer. This is a strange statement to make.  He seems to be apologetic for SM's typos as well as his own.

Scanned copies of the documents would have been less prone to typing error and be more believable. Given the quality of composition and spelling, I doubt they were typed into an email by "SM". He or the imposter that is posing as "SM" has rather poor spelling and wordsmanship, which in itself is strange. So that leaves only a few alternatives.

Either Mannix has scanned copies of the originals emailed (or snail mailed) to him by "SM" and Mannix typed them into a text file to post on Overunity

or

All of the documents mentioned above were originally text files created by their respective authors (or someone else)  and resided on "SM's" computer from the beginning. There are no signed originals.

The second scenario works for letters from Prof. Schinzinger as he could have been communicating by email, but engineering reports that supposedly were contracted to demonstrate the authenticity of the device would typically be signed by the author, and be part of a "package" to be handed out to interested buyers of the technology.

From one of the first few emails from SM to Mannix

"So they hired engineers and other technical people to confirm that indeed the units did output the energy as viewed in the demonstration"

g) Why are there no dates on any of the correspondence from "SM" to "Mannix? A few who in the past have asked this question were put down by Mannix and others, yet, in the interest of clarity it is reasonable to have an actual timeline. In the very first emails from Mannix to SM the answer is given as post 2004.

quote

"What I really learned was that people cant help but be  so very closed minded about anything new . a good video which demonstrates this is "what the bleep do we really know" I hope you have seen it."

This movie was released in 2004. Lindsays post  of the first emails on Overunity Forum was January 30, 2006

"SM" goes on to say in the very first emails posted by Mannix in January 2006

quote

  "I assure you that I invented the technology over 15 years ago and that I have never personally sought money for the technology"

   This would date the invention of the technology to 1991 or earlier. Does this sound reasonable?  Why would "SM" take a job with Spheric Labs and work on design patents for speakers with such a promising energy technology having already been invented by him? The speaker design patents show dates of 1993 and 1994. And the meeting with government official occurs a full 15 years later as described in an email supposedly sent to Mannix in 2006.

Hypothesis 1 (low probability)

His device including the videos were a cleverly designed fraud to bilk investors, the government knows it is fraudulent and is not going to do anything to "gag" SM, never had a meeting with SM, the whole story is BS and someone is pumping this whole thing up for some future purpose.

Hypothesis: 2 (low probability)

   Is it possible  the "SM" that Mannix is supposedly communicating with is a fiction? an alter ego that Mannix has created in order to stimulate activity on the forums in the hopes that by having hundreds of people working on the TPU, someone will be inspired to the truth or that Mannix could cherry pick up a few jewels of others research and put them into his basket?
   It would seem that Mannix does have a burning desire to know the truth of the TPU operation. He has spent lots of time and some unknown amount of  money to build tube equipment and wind coils. His desire seems genuine. But burning desire can prompt people to do strange things.
   There are also many benefits to be gained by being the "SubMaster" or "The Official Master's Voicepiece". He can sort of loosely direct the research into areas he would like to see it go by crafting a "SM" letter to that end.

Note: "SM" is used in quotes because we really don't know who the entity communicating with Mannix really is. We have no proof. Based on above statements we can be relatively certain it is not the real SM if it is he is a gagged mouthpiece for disinformation only,

Hypothesis 3

   It is mostly all true, but many of the puzzle pieces don't fit for reasons we cannot know,

There are many many more questions, I could write a book, but I hear Mannix already has one under way. The truth is hidden and even Sherlock Holmes would have difficulty unravelling this mystery.

People on the forum have already turned this into a religion, referring to SM as "Our Master" and "as Our Master said"

Yet there is a part of me that still wants to believe it is possible, it's all real or some kind of catalyst to get us inspired to working on the possibility of such a device.

People who tend to ask the right questions on forums seem to get banned. This seems to be counter to free speech.

From SM to Lindsay

I have told you about my suspicions regarding the fact that I have wound up in a poor state and cant even sell my technology because of my original involvement with the company UEC, and etc. I have come to the conclusion that I am just where the oil companies arranged for me to be.......
It is fucking obvious......

hmmmmmmm

[poynt99]

you certainly seem well-researched HD.

can't say i disagree with much, and i get the sense that you are not totally against believing the technology and the man are real, so you have an open mind. that's good to know. i am a believer myself, but i don't believe much of the bs posted here.

whether anyone will respond is tbd. people here tend to look the other way or have tantrums when their ideals are challenged.

so, not sure if you'll get a rational response or not, we can only hope.

thanks for the clear investigative work. at the very least it will provoke some thought.

[khabe]

This is not guarded secret that my English is weak ... yes, its DIY (self made) -  but anyway my feelings are:

A.) Does someone else feel that quotes of SM in current thread and quotes of SM published before - are not written by the same person?
B.) Anybody else detected transmogrify of facts? Before was reason why cant tell about principle -  all rights sold to new owner, to some mystic company (or just sold) ... now we can to read about FBI and National Security, Washington ... thats because SM must keep his mouse closed.

Ibidem - why FBI did not arested SM because he sold out  this "national property"  belongs to US government
What kind of special agent starts to investigate about how many copies of videos somebody has when all was published in YouTube? Not any because copies could be miljons around the world - every schoolboy can understand that - why special agent not? I dont believe they are illiterate - impossible.

summing-up:
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