Aliens are coming October 14th 2008 Galactic Federation

[utilitarian]

     Give everything you can and take only what you need and things should work alright.

To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities.  Has not worked in practice yet, but maybe you can be the first to set up a successful Marxist system?

[WilbyInebriated]

Yes, and if you read that article, you would see the numerous drawbacks of barter.  Biggest one is agreeing on relative values of goods.    Apparently, US currency is not "unstable or devalued" enough for anyone to actually switch to barter yet.

Sure, there are disadvantages to a monetary system.  It is the worst system out there, except for all the alternatives.

and if you actually read the article, you must have missed
"While one-to-one bartering is still practiced between individuals and businesses on an informal basis, organized barter exchanges have developed to conduct third party bartering. The barter exchange operates as a broker and bank and each participating member has an account which is debited when purchases are made, and credited when sales are made. With the removal of one-to-one bartering, concerns over unequal exchanges are reduced.

Modern trade and barter has developed into a sophisticated tool to help businesses increase their efficiencies by monetizing their unused capacities and excess inventories. The worldwide organized barter exchange and trade industry has grown to an $8 billion a year industry and is used by thousands of businesses and individuals. The advent of the internet and sophisticated relational database software programs has further advanced the barter industry's growth. Organized barter has grown throughout the world to the point now where virtually every country has a formalized barter and trade network of some kind. Complex business models based on the concept of barter are today possible since the advent of Web 2.0 technologies."



apparently US citizens are not intelligent enough to manage their own assets from what i see, which is amusing, since money is the thing they value most but they can't be bothered to educate themselves on how to properly use it. so they pay someone else to do it for them, this coupled with the "someone else" being ready and eager to exploit the mindless sheep and you end up with the mess the US economy is in now.

i thought democracy was the worst system out there, or was it capitalism? i love seeing people take someone else's words for their own.

[nitinnun]

individual aliens strongly prefer, to make everything that they need for themselves.

for themselves, and for their family structures (a "podlet", of no more than 64 people.)


everyone is taught how to produce what they "need". so demand is mostly for "extra things".
such as personal hobbies. or large projects that benefit the entire society.


since everyone has what they need, everyone tends to be generous with their time and effort.

being free from the struggle just to survive, also tends to make them bored at times.
so they have no end of time and energy, to turn into useful things.


it is the exact opposite, of how our world is run.
where everyone is taught to rely on a system, that the rich and powerful control.

instead of people being trained and equipped to produce their own stuff, factories do it.
instead of people managing their own food sources, farms do it.
instead of people doing what they want to do with their lives, people waste most of their time on an unneccessary "job". to earn "money".

money to buy required things, that people SHOULD have been producing for themselves in the first place!



society have been intentionally broken!
in such a way, that it can be controlled!

and it is oh so unneccessary.
because there are better ways.

and as soon as the corrupt assholes can no longer suppress them, these ways will become the preferred method of mankind.

[reada]

A noble idea sparks that I subscribe to wholeheartedly, but unfortunately greed reigns and there does not seem to be a way to stop it.

All those allegedly sweet talking aliens, gurus and masters of long ago etc. etc. have never given us more than empty glib phrases that never changed a thing. In fact, these sweet phrases are exactly what do-gooders and oppressors utter before they drive in the knife.

Hans von Lieven

Hi Hans,
i'm relatively new here, but i read this forum a long time. I respect you for the answers and insides you give and gave. You have a highly scientific way to look on things, however i don't agree with you that 'it' cant be changed cause greed reigns. You have probably changed people in your environment to see things like you do, so do all here i believe. That makes me confident that there is a chance that we can live like Sparks said. Outside the state/political borders because humans aren't as bluedemon said different in behaviour - the're different in teaching and following 'man-given-rules'. At the end of the day everyone wants the best for their families with the less work to do for that. Its all about morals and ethics. So therefor the Love-Things that are said by the Entities through the Channelers aren't that far of, because it involves less power if you do things you like.

And i have to agree with you that the same principles were used over and over again to deceit people. No one can trust no one anymore - isnt that sad? But hey, there is !always! Light at the end of the tunnel watch this pdf http://www.mindovermatter.com/deutsch/pdf/33%20Dahlke.pdf (german i apologyze) on the second page are two pictures - there is a robot driving its random way in the first picture. In the Second there is a little chicken placed inside the right box - the robots behaviour changes everytime the chicken is placed inside it. Thats Science as well. There is something like a soul, there is something like consciousness. There is something like love or desire that is changing matter. I believe thats the true thing. I wonder if the robot would chase you as well hans 

[nitinnun]

A noble idea sparks that I subscribe to wholeheartedly, but unfortunately greed reigns and there does not seem to be a way to stop it.

All those allegedly sweet talking aliens, gurus and masters of long ago etc. etc. have never given us more than empty glib phrases that never changed a thing. In fact, these sweet phrases are exactly what do-gooders and oppressors utter before they drive in the knife.

Hans von Lieven

you have been spewing nothing but unconstructive negativity, into this thread.
your attitude promotes failure, pessimism, hopelessness, and motivation-assassination

why are you trying to DESTROY the motivation, of everyone who crosses your path?


if you believe that greed reigns supreme, than that is exactly what will happen.
because by believing that it is invincible, you help make it invincible.



sheldon nidle describes how the aliens run their societies, in some of his books.
he gives a very useful big picture.

there are also many ideas/methods online, for better ways of running the world.
some more implement-able than others.


maybe if you had spent more time researching possibilities, and less time complaining about how pointless the world is, you would have something more constructive to type, than preaching doom-ism.



DOOOOM-ISM !!!!!!!