Electrinium

[resonanceman]

Well yes and no. It is more similar to the Crystal Cells.

On a certain level the diode-like arrangement is similar,
but it does not accord with most of what is described in
the Electrinium paper at all.
It is in much better accordance with normal diode theory.
It is in fact exactly what is described on the site: an array
of a huge number of small diodes, which sort of rectify the
minute ambient oscillations.

Koen

I was  thinking that it is probably  more similar than different .
Electrinium seems to be working  like a rectifier in some way .

I was also wondering  if it might  be useable as a backup plan ........ if the funds were  raised to get the  equipment  to try to make  some  electrinium  it  would be wise to  have a few ideas for making  a profit  from  the equipment even  if  the electrinium project failed.


gary

[resonanceman]

from page 70 of  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6090.690

Talking about  room temp  superconducting  plastic

http://www.ultraconductors.com/primer.html

I would  agree that this guy  probably doesn't  have  anything  ready to show  people ......but he could have found  something .

It is my theory that  with the  right  materials it may be possible  to make  electrinium  by flowing  enough  current  through the materials to  form channels for the current,  then  removing  the current slowly and letting the  material harden .

Could this  be done  with plastic?
Could this  guy  be " burning" conductive  channels into plastic ?
These  channels might  in effect  be multiple microscopic  spark gaps.
I am pretty sure that  sparks don't always  follow the  laws of physics ......so  a long string of small sparkgaps  might  have some very interesting properties.

I am  not sure  if this  would  qualify  as electrinium but it might  be worth  looking into. .

I am  thinking that  filling the plastic with very  small particles might help.
I am thinking that both  conductive and nonconductive  particles would be needed
The interaction  between the  current  the plastic  and the  conductive particles would  form the channels and create in effect anodes and cathodes.

gary

[Koen1]

Well, thing is, yes the idea of "electrinium" is similar
to rectification and diode structures, in a way...

But rather than to say that diodes and rectifiers that do exist
and that we do have good working theories for that explain how
and why they work and how we can make them,
are like electrinium that does not exist and that we do not
have good working theories for that do not explain properly
how and why they work and how to make them,
I would say it is the idea of electrinium that is shaped
roughly along the lines of diodes and rectifiers,
and certainly not the other way around.

Diodes are not like electrinium, the idea of electrinium
is roughly similar to diodes. The other way around.
The fantasy electrinium is a conceptual over-unity diode.
And unfortunately the underlying theory is not in accordance
with the variations of diode theory. Superficially it is,
but on the deeper levels it is not.

Besides, as far as I know there is NO room temperature superconductive
material yet. Certainly not a plastic. That ultraconductors stuff has been
around for years and nobody has ever had the honour of actually seeing
a piece of the hypothetical superonductive plastic. It does not appear to
actually exist.
If we had room temp superconductors then yes, that could change the
entire story a bit, give it an extra dimension so to speak.
At least, I assume you see the similarities between room temp superconductors
and semiconductors in this specific context? I have a feeling you do,
otherwise why bring up superconds in the forst place?

The process you so roughly describe as "burning" channels for the current
through a material is one that in my opinion is closer to what some of us are
trying to do in our Crystal Cell experiments than to anything described in
the electrinium paper.
You're going Hutchison style Crystal Cell "conditioning" there, it seems.

Then filling the plastic with particles, "dopant", that's also very Crystal Cell-ish.
Except we generally don't use plastic but some other nonconductive or
semi-conductive material.

Lol funny to see how the better "electrinium" posts are all Cell related,
and not so much "electrinium" as described in the similarly titled paper.

[nievesoliveras]

@all

I made a mistake???
I am reading too many threads at the same time.

Jesus

[sm0ky2]

the way i understood the authors description of "electrinium"

the substance should have both properties of an electret
(static charge separation between two 'ends' of the material)
as well as inductive properties.

chemically speaking, it would be an semiconductive iron alloy, something like::

(x)SiO2 +(x)Si28 + (x)Fe56
crystalized in an electric or magnetic field.

Fe56 and Si28 are unique forms of Iron and Silicone, which can be transmuted from carbon powder under an electric arc (or through a 6 month alchemaic heating/cooling process which is rather inefficient)

the carbon powder is molecularly disrupted by the electric arc, (approx. 16KJ per 6C12)
and splits into the Si28 isotope (which is mostly stable) and an unstable isotope of Nickel. (Ni56)
the nickel decays in a matter of nanoseconds and combines with some of the silicone, and becomes
     Fe56
The resulting mass, if melted/mixed is an iron-silicate alloy, which you then would mix with quartz powder and allow it to recrystalize.

i have no clue what "causes" would allow such an electrinium to exist, so the ammounts of each substance in the alloy are a pure guessing game, if its even possible.

Transmutation is generally performed in open air, by a spark gap, with the powder in between
  60W - 100W  in various arrangement do work.  ive heard of experiments done outside this range, but i dont know how successful they were.

i would reccommend less than 80 volts DC , and at least 1 minute of arc per gram for complete transmutation, use a carbon electrode, as it will not melt, and a high temp plate as the (-), if some of the resulting alloy melts from the arc thats okay because you will re-melt it later anyways.

and obtain the finest particle size you can for the quartz, the resulting alloy should have an unstable resistance measurement, that's how you will know you have "enough" SiO2 in the mixture"
when you measure resistance it will be up/down as the current takes different paths through the crystals
you wont be able to melt the quartz, even when the alloy is already boiling, unless you are lucky enough have an electric arc furnace in your basement (if so, can i come over to play?!?)

what i mean to say is the resulting mixture will re-crystalize around the solid quarts particles,
so it wont "look" like a perfect crystal.


if anyone has the equipment / patience, it would be interesting to experiment along these lines.
(msg me if you need a source of free 99.9999% carbon particulate)