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Towards Realizing the TPU

Started by poynt99, September 03, 2008, 08:46:35 PM

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wattsup

@otto

I care. lol

Even though I am sort of on this Mylow magnet wheel and babysitting the thread, does not mean I am not working on my TPU studies. lol
I think there is at least 10% of my brain that works on this all the time. Through everything I read and work on, I always try to see some relationship.

Here is something for you. You know the output voltage of the LTPU. Here are the amps. This is very telling indeed. Looking at these amperage readings, can you see where the "kicks meet at the output". lol

In reality, these amperage readings are one of only a few living data we have about the LPTU. We have this, we have a voltage reading, we have the output bulbs and we have the flaming spark that show a direct indication of the energies in the LTPU.

So how was your vacations.

otto

Hello all,

@Chef

if you show me my post where my claim about overunity results is posted I will show the world what I have.

I dont think overunity is possible. If we have a bigger output then input, then the system gets the extra energy from the surrounding.

I didnt find a good core! SM did it. Im only a little replicator, thanks God.

@wattsup

if my memory is OK, SM told us that the output voltage of this TPU was 800V??

800V x 1,2A = ??

This demonstration was only to show the people that a TPU has real power. But dont think its the top power such a TPU can give. The closer you are with the best frequency mix, the bigger is the output power.

Now imagine how many TPUs has SM blown until he got the total control of such a beast!!

Otto


Grumpy

You can make a coil trigger from a pulse on another coil, but if a pulse is missed it gets out of whack, so a more controllable means of timing is required, such as a counter.

I am not using low inductance coils, but I "think" that you would wind them in a bifilar arrangement - with a toroidal form as they must be in a loop.  You then pulse both with a delay on the second control coil "or" you pulse them in opposite polarity.  You have to control the timing either way, but I think you can get away from the delay with opposite polarity connections.  If you connect the two controls together like a folded single coil, timing will be a pain in the ass and may never work.

This is based on an educated guess after reading the works of Rowland, Rontgen, and Wilson regarding moving charges and dielectrics.  Hint, hint...
It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
                                                                                                                                    -Frank Edwards

wattsup

@loner

Hope this post will help in some way. Sorry for the length.

@all

Maybe I should elaborate on my last post of those pictures a little bit.

First of all @EM put this up but can't remember in which thread.

"All these frequencies "occasionally" "met" at the same time with a much larger kick at the output."

How occasional is "occasionally" if they have to meet anywhere from 100 to 100k times per second. I would say this means much more then occasional, more like almost always. The "met" means they meet, not cross or over-cross or overlap each other. Of course frequencies if they are to meet, depending on what they go through and into what they will meet, could produce many types of kicks.

Thinking about the above, I noticed there are four wires coming out of each center toroid in the LTPU. If the toroid was wound as a bucking coil, there would only be two wires required. So what are the two other wires going through the two toroids. Now if the wires from one of the yellow capacitors also goes through the center of one of the toroids and is connected in parallel with the two wires from the bucking coil, because the four wires are in fact connected in two parallel, could this be the basis for an audio crossover if there were some other resistors in the black box underneath. That would give you two crossovers to control two frequency outputs and all you would then require is one wider frequency as input or one input signal comprised of major hash signals. One input as major havoc enters the two crossovers and produces two outputs that compress the havoc and send it into the control coils. The controls coils received their two signals and then meet together at the collector to create the major havoc again that is re-fed again into the toroidal crossovers. If the center toroidal material is a core like the ones used in high voltage toroidal transformers, the unit will be able to withstand and maintain a very high flux level. Starting from the low voltage at start-up and going up to the high voltage output of the LTPU, this makes the center toroid the ideal device to "run with gain". OK this is just a preamble to the following.

First, I propose we should understand two new terms that I have developed to quickly position ones visualized locations in a TPU or any other device. They are "in-look" and "out-look". If you in-look the ltpu output, you are looking at the output from the center of the tpu looking towards the output on the inner core wall. Out-look the output means you are looking at the output from the opposite outward point looking towards the output outer wall. When you in-look/out-look something, you lock your perspective on one point and can then talk about the surrounding items, left, right, up, down, in front of, etc. Easy to understand and not get lost.

So if you in-look the output, CC1 is on the right of the output, whereas if you out-look the output, CC1 will be on the left. This way we can all talk about coils, looking from the inside or outside. You can use this to in-look a small toroid or anything else. Out-look the teeth on a shark or in-look the teeth of Moby Dick from inside his mouth. (Bad place to be. lol)

I would like to first address @ottos comment that the ltpu can produce much more energy then what is seen in the amps. Yes, you may well be very right but the inherent variance in the percentages of amperage seen above would still be the same. So, the amp values would be greater but the ratios between them would still be the same.

OK, the first picture shows the ammeter (AM) near the output, but not at the output. It is over one of the control coil CC3 and it reads .34 amps. That's about one third the real output amps shown on the last picture at 1.20 amps.

So this confirms to me that there are three control coils and the AM was over CC3 and I would take a major guess that CC3 is being driven under RV type resonance via the two big black series connected capacitors that are so conveniently just beside it if you in-look the output, they are on the left side.

OK, you take one full band audio signal or other signal and put it through two crossovers comprised of one center bucking coil toroid with one yellow cap makes one crossover and the other center toroid with the other yellow cap makes the second crossover. One signal from the collector goes to the two crossovers. One crossover then feeds CC1 and the other feeds CC2. The outputs of CC1 and CC2 are connected together (two frequencies meet and produce a kick) and are connected to one side of the collector. The other side of the collector goes to output with some going back as the one signal going back to the crossovers.

One havoc makes two frequencies that meet to create more havoc that makes two frequencies that meet to create more havoc, and so on.

If you look at picture No.4 shows the AM over the two toroids at .74 amps. How convenient that's about two thirds the output and confirms the above potential usage of the toroids to control two thirds of the CC's.

Look at picture No. 2 it is placed between one toroid and the outer core and reads 0.52 amps. How convenient again since this is about half way between the CC3 and toroid readings. It all falls into place. SM did not bother putting his AM over CC1 and CC2 because he knew that putting the AM over the two toroids would have covered that energy reading of those two coils. With his AM he went to CC3, between CC3 and toroids, over toroids, over output. For him, these four readings covered the entire energy dispersion of the LTPU. He did not have to see anything else to understand how the energy flowed in his LTPU.

The center toroid material will be important if any potential or gradual gain in the saturation of the toroid core can be used to increase the amplitude of the crossover action, hence more and more energy going through the control coils creating bigger kicks each time they meet at the collector.

CC3 is simply in parallel to the two black series capacitors and is connected across CC1 and CC2 and acts as a power pumping station something like the RV works on one phase of a three phase motor or like any other resonance tank. This ensures that the device will operate using the drive energy in its most efficient manner possible.

Inside the black box is nothing more then a strong battery driven AM radio or other miniature MONO signal producing device. One mono into two crossovers makes to signals out.

For me this is the first major topography of the LTPU.

SM is probably laughing because he is probably telling himself Hmmmm. This is a good idea but not exactly, he is right because there could be two other variations of this scheme.

One is that CC1 and CC2 are both going over 1/2 of the outer core. CC3 is the over coils that are to the left and right of the output (or zero point) where we can see there is an additional layer of winding in that area. CC3 still would use both black caps like an RV connected across CC1 and CC2.

The other is that CC1 and CC2 are wound in four quads, two for CC1 one facing the other, and two for CC2 again one facing the other. CC3 is again the over coils left and right of the zero point (or output).

I did do some comparisons of the above function logic to my original ltpu wiring diagram and I do see there could be a real relationship between them but would have to look closer at this.

My wiring diagram is located here;
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Steven%20Mark/wattsup-tpu/
click on any of the files starting with SM17-WD-1 for different sized files of the same.

One drawing I made a long time ago is also located there called discharge3.jpg.
It shows three CC's plus the exterior coil positions so it is not exact to the above but gives you an idea.

I would need some time (a rarity these days) to re-work the diagram but in general I think guys here will get a good idea on the above.

Hope this helps some of you working on the LPTU.

Yes there are some other issues like frequency ranges and LTPU outer core material but at this stage, I think this is secondary. SM's material choices, etc., were also heavily based on showing the device while keeping it secret so since we are working open source, we do not have to worry about such constraints and can make our builds accordingly in open fashion.

So @loner, does the above come close to the KISS criteria? Time will tell. I have learned enough with my FTPU build that I will start to build an LPTU and do some testing.

wattsup

@otto, do you  know if insurance companies sell LTPU blow up insurance. lol


Antimon

Quote from: otto on May 05, 2009, 12:22:41 AM
But dont think its the top power such a TPU can give.

They stopped at 10kW, they reached their goal.

A.