Towards Realizing the TPU

[wings]

this can help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_discharge

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[wings]

this can help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_discharge

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[wattsup]

@otto

I read your posts on the other thread but came back to this thread to not spread out.

Tube locations in SM tpus.

ftpu - center underneath what I thought was a microphone diaphragm or battery. It would have at least 1/2"-3/4" clearance all around if inside the reel center tube. SM was extra careful not to put his fingers on it when he turned it over you can see his hesitation on where to land one of his fingers.  Ouch.

http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Steven%20Mark/ftpu/ftpu-battery1.jpg

optu - Again the oddball unit. The only place I can think of is inside the metal box at the output?? There are tubes that are encased in a metal cover. But let's skip this one because there are many things that don't simply equate to the others.

stpu - 6tpu - Will depend on the answers to some of the questions below.

mtpu - ltpu
I do not think he would put a tube sideways inside the center plastic box.
What bugs me about these two devices is the false center boards.
Why go to the trouble of making that false board.
Now if I take the 60 volts of the ftpu, I'd say he needed 6 volts to start and keep it going,that's 10%, so if the ltpu is making 800 volts, I'd say he would need a minimum of 80 good dc volties with some amperage to back it up. So WHERE could he stash that much juice? Under the danged flagin center board.  We already know about that. Right??
So....800 V from the ltpu.
If you get 300v per tube, you would need 3 tubes. But three tubes would not need 80 volts. OK. We know that tubes get hot, but I need to know the answer to the following questions.

Q1: If a tube is rated to have 5v input to heat the cathode, if you only put 3 volts, will it still work but at a lower voltage output and a lower heat dissipation rate? If I needed only 3 tubes, but decided to use 6 tubes, but at the 3 volts level instead of 5 volts, would the tubes still work?

Then answer this one.

Q2 The high voltage off the tube plate(s) will be unstable.  OK
Do two mobius rings do the same thing as a full wave bridge rectifier? Seems to me every time I would pulse an AC sine wave into a pair of mobius rings the output would always come out dc no matter what?

Then answer this one.

Q3: What effect can you put on a vacuum tube by applying outer influences such as the center mag field of a toroid bucking coil or a positioned magnet? Can such an influence change the cathode condition or output frequency or anything else inside a vacuum tube such as increasing havoc? We have tried quenched reed switches. What about quenched vacuum tubes?

Then answer this one.

Q4. Can't remember where I read it but it said some tubes will not work optimally upside down? If that was the case with the ftpu, then of course he would not want to say why it would not work upside down. lol

@otto, I would not say it will not work with solid state. Say instead, once we know how it works with tubes, we can migrate this effect to SS. That is more right in my mind. A tube transfers from the cathode to the plate via the air. A toroid transfers from the primary to the secondary via the core. The tube provides no back and forth interplay. A toroid does. In your tests, you may consider providing the 5volts to the tube via a primary loop that can recycle that 5 volts back. But let's continue.

The stpu and 6tpu have enough width of the toroid wall to hide a small tube but only if it is not run at full applied voltage to the cathode otherwise I feel the TPU would melt much more then we can see in the videos. The melting we see is from inside homogeneous heating that you would get if the tube was run at a fraction of the design voltage. Otherwise the tube would have created real smoke. If the tube was designed for 300 volts output and it only produced 100 volts, can we assume the tube was running at 1/3 applied voltage to the cathode.

In the 6tpu it is the same effect but he could have 2 tubes.
mtpu = 4-6 tubes.
ltpu - 8-12 tubes could be hidden inside the ring and enough batteries under the center board.

SM does not leave anything in his demo video to "chance". The cut away sequence was supposed to impart the illusion of a random cutting event of the tpu, but I am convinced there was nothing random about the specific parts of the ring he did cut. Nothing was left to chance especially to give away any more information then was necessary about the ring contents. The random act is an illusion to try and get you to think the ring is made in the same way all around.

So yes, tubes is possible if the answers to the questions above fall into a realistic range. Otherwise, if a tube has to have 5 volts and has to create the known heat levels, then tubes are not in the tpus.

But I know me, and I will still push the SS side for now until I have completely put forth a build and tested it. I am almost finished my plans and will post it soon, but without tubes. I am sure it will give you some ideas regardless.

Maybe one more logic item to point out. We'll take the ftpu again as an example. This is about the output of the tpu. Since we cannot really pinpoint a tank capacitor in the ftpu, we can assume that the tank capacitor is the load. When he puts the meter terminals to the output, he closes the output circuit just like when you connect a light to the secondary of a working transformer. When the light is not on, the primary side is still working even thought the secondary is not connected. So look to do the same thing. Let the load complete the output loop. This is why you could have two mobious loops on the output. Remember the stpu had two rigid, I would say metal extensions coming out about 1 1/2" out of the toroid where he connected the lamp and meter. When he put the meter probes to touch the two outputs, they did not move at all. Why not just have wires. Why rigid metal ouputs??

http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Steven%20Mark/stpu/stpu-rigid-ouput1..jpg

OK last thing about tubes. They can be dangerous if pulsed in certain frequencies they are supposed to produce even x-rays. So please be careful and don't cook your own body when testing them. Others may know more about this but I know care should be taken.

[Mannix]

OK last thing about tubes. They can be dangerous if pulsed in certain frequencies they are supposed to produce even x-rays. So please be careful and don't cook your own body when testing them. Others may know more about this but I know care should be taken.

And just how fast are those electrons are there other states???...................................................BINGO!

[forest]

A little off-topic. Hmm...Am I crazy or we are touching more then a solution for TPU ?
What if ( just theoretically) electricity is basically a wave and only because conductor is a very bad waveguide we have a lot of reflections forming "particles" called "electrons". ?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interference