Atraction motor vs repulsion motor question

[Charlie_V]

I think that would work if the force that pushes the rotor around was greater than the sticky point.  But I think the main problem is that the sticky point is equal to if not greater than all the places around it.  That's why typical motors don't run because whatever they gain outside is lost at the sticky point.  Adding more gates isn't going to solve this problem either.  You'll get two sticky points and two areas with force less than both the sticky points. 

[gyulasun]

Hi Folks,

In another thread here http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5508.msg127010.html#msg127010  I wrote my thoughts on this shielding setup.  Would you mind commenting it either here or there?

rgds,  Gyula

[mangyhyena]

"I think that would work if the force that pushes the rotor around was greater than the sticky point.  But I think the main problem is that the sticky point is equal to if not greater than all the places around it.  That's why typical motors don't run because whatever they gain outside is lost at the sticky point.  Adding more gates isn't going to solve this problem either.  You'll get two sticky points and two areas with force less than both the sticky points."

Think in terms of two tracks working with a stator between them.  Those two tracks, in opposition to the stator, would hold the stator in the middle of the track.  Now think in terms of coming to the first gate, which is on only one side of the track.  Using that other track you should be able to "steer" your stator around that repelling gate so it never comes in contact with the repelling magnetic field in the first place.  Once past the gate the other side of the track should push the stator back to the middle and continue spinning.  Half way around the rotation, the gate for the other side of the track will arrive and this procedure would be repeated, only this time the stator would go around the gate in the opposite direction it did for the first gate.

In this way the gates should not have the chance to repel the stator.  Each side of the array would look like more like a spiral than a perfect circle.  And the stator would need to be hinged so it can move from side to side as the track carries it around the gate.  If you understand what I'm trying to get across and can use this technique then by all means please do so.  The more the merrier.

I'm paying to have my drum built.  Once it's built my magnets should have arrived and I can put this to the test.  If successful everyone here will know it and I'll make sure the information to replicate is available.  Wish me luck.

[Charlie_V]

But it won't push it to the side, it will stop at the point where it was suppose to be pushed.  Again the problem is the balancing of force.  Measure how much force it takes to push past the sticky point.  Then measure the amount of force around the rest of the ring that causes the rotor to spin. 

And the stator would need to be hinged so it can move from side to side as the track carries it around the gate.

I think I understand but the magnet will probably not want to be pushed back into the fray.  You would have to physically push the hinge otherwise the magnet will stop like hitting a wall, but please try.  It would be cool if it works.

[mangyhyena]

One more thing I would like to understand.  In another discussion there was talk of neo magnets discharging due to eddy currents.  The discussion involved using soft iron for attraction, then a weak magnet in repulsion to counter the sticking point.  Is it the iron that caused the eddy currents or will I encounter these neo magnet killing eddy currents when putting neos in repulsion to other neos?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3979.0.html

In the setup I'm going to attempt, neo magnets will be repelling against neo magnets.  Will there be eddy currents that will discharge the magnets with this setup?

With the dual arrays working against the stator I believe I can get it to run in either repulsion or attraction mode---with a slight change in the array layout.  But if I can do it using repulsion as my motive force I'll have a lot more horsepower from fewer magnets.  So long as these eddy currents don't kill my magnets the repulsion setup is more desirable.

Thanks for letting me beat a dead horse one more time.