Stanley Meyer and The Water Car Hoax

[HeairBear]

I value all of your opinions... What do you consider this car in the video? Does it really work or is it a scam? Nothing ever came of this vehicle but I would have loved to see it and how it was built.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syc2Z9I_C8A

[sparks]

     Ask any scientist if water doesn't have any intrinsic energy.
Nasa knows water is a fuel.  Plants split water using electromagnetic wave energy so why is it so hard to believe that dc currents are the only thing that can bust a hydrogen to oxygen bond?  I don't see plants spinning up generators burning themselves to get hydrogen from water.  Unreal how far science is behind nature.  You want to build a better mouse trap better start studying a cat.  You want to split water start studying chlorophyll.

[wizardofmars]

Plants split water using electromagnetic wave energy .... Unreal how far science is behind nature. 

Why would you even state that 'science is so far behind nature'. Nature has had million of years to evolve these mechanisms. Human science has barely been around for thousands of years. Any scientist will acknowledge we don't know everything about biology, physics, astrology etc.

And plants don't use 'electomagnetic wave energy' for photocatalysis - they use manganese clusters powered by sunlight to split water into hydrogen and oxygen.  You can read some work of actual scientists at Princeton working on biosolar along these lines at http://www.princeton.edu/~catalase/home.html.

The photocatalytic reaction you refer to is the subject of much research and some of it has already resulted in patents  e.g. USPTO 6,316,653 Highly reactive, stable tetramanganese-oxo cubane complexes, their synthesis and their use as a functional catalyst for in vitro O2 production...These catalysts may be used for the oxidation of water to oxygen and hydrogen peroxide and may also be used to catalyze the oxidation of chloride and simple chloride compounds to chlorine gas.

[wizardofmars]

I value all of your opinions... What do you consider this car in the video? Does it really work or is it a scam? Nothing ever came of this vehicle but I would have loved to see it and how it was built.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syc2Z9I_C8A

I would have guessed the first demo is effectively a flywheel (it runs down over time). The technology of the second demo in the car is not explained but my gut reaction is that it is probably an outright scam. My guess is lead acid batteries hidden in the rear. A quick look at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Surge_Motor_Technology_by_Troy_Reed confirms the same thing and points out that you can see the vehicle is tilting backwards in the video as if there is a heavy weight in the rear. It also claims (yet again) that millions were invested in this project and nothing ever came of it. It's a typical scenario for any scam promoter. Note these videos are over ten years old.

As an amusing aside, the PESWiki pages claims Reed's family was involved in prime bank scams. That's ironic because there are posters on overunity.com who believe in the same nonsense such as NESARA. It shows there is a very low threshold for evidence in both areas.

[wizardofmars]

Truth... I'm a member on this site since the yahoo's, and a "pseudoscience" is the main thing which comes to my mind whenever a think about all of this....
It was always a mistery to me, why all the  top 'FE' people/researchers  think that the "rest" of the technically viable people (some 99,99% of the classically trained technicians,..engineers,..science teachers,.. doctors ...) could be so dumb not to recognise a 'FE'....?

Here is what a real 'alternative energy' forum looks like. Real people discussing real technology you can use today. I don't see aliens, NESARA, water cars, cancer cures and all the other BS on this site.

http://www.solarpowerforum.net/forumVB/