I'm skeptical of these motors...

[Yucca]

Bedini motor is a great introduction to back EMF and coil work it's an easy way of generating very fast transients, plus you have the thrill of a moving motor. I salute all the Bedini builders, great work, keep it up, beats staring into a plasma screen spouting Orwellian newspeak all day.

The skills, concepts and understanding gained from actually building something physical cannot be learnt from books, and those skills can always be used in other areas, so even if a Bedini motor does not yield COP>1 then the experimenter can take the gleaned skills and apply them to other areas that may prove very fruitful.

Also the very act of trying to build for COP>1 is the first step to achieving it. And IMHO it is a very necessary step.

[mike3]

Bedini motor is a great introduction to back EMF and coil work it's an easy way of generating very fast transients, plus you have the thrill of a moving motor. I salute all the Bedini builders, great work, keep it up, beats staring into a plasma screen spouting Orwellian newspeak all day.

You mean this thing I'm typing messages into right now? Since that's the screen I stare at quite a bit.

The skills, concepts and understanding gained from actually building something physical cannot be learnt from books, and those skills can always be used in other areas, so even if a Bedini motor does not yield COP>1 then the experimenter can take the gleaned skills and apply them to other areas that may prove very fruitful.

Also the very act of trying to build for COP>1 is the first step to achieving it. And IMHO it is a very necessary step.

Well, I suppose, but if one wants to seriously have a good shot at getting free energy one must have some theory as to how it could be obtained. Then try and build what that theory suggests would work, and see if it does, which will test the theory. Theory points the way for what to build. Just trying to "build for free energy" doesn't do much until you know what direction to go to have a serious shot at getting it.

So far, not one single working device has yet been thoroughly and rigorously demonstrated. Another craze, the "MEG" (Motionless Electromagnetic Generator, don't know if you heard about it) was also a flop, and the theory behind it was revealed to have serious flaws:

http://www.phact.org/e/z/bearden.htm "A skeptical look at the MEG claims of Thomas Bearden"

Fave quote:
"The more you look into it, the more the question becomes not 'why did the MEG project fail?' but rather 'how on earth did they manage to hold it together for so long.'"

http://www.phact.org/e/z/BeardenReview.htm

At least here though one had some theory to critique and examine (it flopped). I'm not sure what the "theory" is behind the "Bedini motor". Obviously we need some better research and methods if one wants to really uncover the physics behind "real" free energy.

[Hoppy]

So far, not one single working device has yet been thoroughly and rigorously demonstrated. Another craze, the "MEG" (Motionless Electromagnetic Generator, don't know if you heard about it) was also a flop, and the theory behind it was revealed to have serious flaws:

This is what motivates people to try all sorts of strange and unconventional approaches. After all the conventional approaches have so far failed, so why not try spinning wheels, the MEG, pyramids, crystals and anything else that comes to a creative mind. Life can be fun if it's not taken too seriously. I mean look at those silly men in their ridiculous looking flying machines all those years ago. I'm sure they enjoyed themeselves a lot of the time jumping off cliffs and landing with a bump. These guys were ridiculed plenty but history shows that their efforts were not in vain!

Hoppy

[Yucca]

You mean this thing I'm typing messages into right now? Since that's the screen I stare at quite a bit.

Well, I suppose, but if one wants to seriously have a good shot at getting free energy one must have some theory as to how it could be obtained. Then try and build what that theory suggests would work, and see if it does, which will test the theory. Theory points the way for what to build. Just trying to "build for free energy" doesn't do much until you know what direction to go to have a serious shot at getting it.

So far, not one single working device has yet been thoroughly and rigorously demonstrated. Another craze, the "MEG" (Motionless Electromagnetic Generator, don't know if you heard about it) was also a flop, and the theory behind it was revealed to have serious flaws:

http://www.phact.org/e/z/bearden.htm "A skeptical look at the MEG claims of Thomas Bearden"

Fave quote:
"The more you look into it, the more the question becomes not 'why did the MEG project fail?' but rather 'how on earth did they manage to hold it together for so long.'"

http://www.phact.org/e/z/BeardenReview.htm

At least here though one had some theory to critique and examine (it flopped). I'm not sure what the "theory" is behind the "Bedini motor". Obviously we need some better research and methods if one wants to really uncover the physics behind "real" free energy.

I meant telivision, scripted viewing. I wasnÃ,´t implying that you are guilty of watching too much TV, just stating that a person building a Bedini motor is being more productive than someone watching TV.

I donÃ,´t think itÃ,´s necessary to use or know theory in order to discover new things, thatÃ,´s like saying explorers of old needed maps in order to discover new lands. Also existing theories cannot explain Griggs Hydrosonic Pumps, you can build your own GHSP and see COP>1 using calorimetery.

I agree that it would be good to have better research procedures and theories in free energy research, but usually these theories follow in the footsteps of the original discovery which is often an anomoly spotted whilst looking for something else. So hopefuly in the end we will have a new or extended set of theories to use in FE research.

I have read a little about motionless electromagnetic generator, but donÃ,´t know enough to comment yet.

[mike3]

Actually I don't watch TV anymore since TV service was cut off at our house.