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Voltage/Current VS Pure Voltage?

Started by Magnethos, September 23, 2008, 07:07:57 PM

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Magnethos

I'm reading more now about the free energy principles and learning some interesting stuff.
One of the things that I have seen a lot of times is that we use the incorrect materials, I mean that if we would use the correct materials we could get energy from unknow sources, for example.

Also, we could eliminate the necessity of amperage... so, we only need voltage and we can get the voltage from the thin air. So, we need AMPERAGE if we use COPPER (and other materials, but I say copper because is the most common) as a conductor wire and DC. But if we use a special alloy and Pulsed DC, we only need pure voltage.

Zer0PointUnlimited also shown in youtube a video where the current was eliminated from the circuit and he can draws only pure voltage.

Do you think that pure voltage waves are the true factor to obtain energy using the correct materials and technique?

overcurrent

 That sounds reasonable as long as you could make devices that utilized pure voltage with no current flow.
Which leads me to a question I've had since I since I got started with search for more affordable energy means. This question might not be exactly related to what you're talking about so if not I'm sorry for wasting your time.
My question is related to the newman style motor where you have a large coil of wire lets say 120 ohms for discussions sake, and you apply 120 volt turning the magnets in the middle by pulsing a rotor. Now the idea is you'll get more work out from the torque of the rotor than the motor is drawing if I'm understanding the concept correctly. For example the old E=IxR  120 divided by 120 =1 motor is drawing 1 amp and hopefully you'll put out 2 amp with the rotor this is if I'm even understanding the Newman concept correctly. So my question is this, if the above statements are correct by having such a large coil of wire aren't we just creating a large amount of inductance that can make our voltage either lead or lag (I can't remember which it was 20 years ago I studied those formulas) and with a leading voltage we would be paying more more fore the electricity going into the machine, because I no at our factory we had I believe it was a leading voltage and we added a capacitive bank to reduce our electricity costs. Just curious if I'm thinking about this correctly or if my electron theory of electricity training has corrupted my mind to much to see it correctly. And I'm sorry again if this isn't related to what your talking about.

Magnethos

No problem if your explanation is not related with my question. We have always to look at other questions and theories to find more answers. Newman motor runs on voltage and almost not current. All the videos I have seen the newman motor need very very few miliamps, but the current is always present in a extremely low amount in the system.

I uploaded a video explaining a technique to 'recover' the energy wasted in a newman motor. Then, some guys built my schematics with positive results. The idea was very simple: merge an alternator in the axle.
Like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcd7B1qoDPE

I'm going to post a theory about What energy really is. Because if we look at the theory of Tom Bearden and a device can work with pure voltage... that means that we don't need amperage and voltage... What about voltage? If a device can work with pure voltage waves that means that the battery isn't drawing electrons... because if it draw only voltage, the charge is always the same and when it draws voltage + current the charge decreases.

So... What is really the energy? No electrons, no amperage.... What is?ÃÆ'Ã,§
Of course, this questions is about the theory of the relaxation time of a conductor.

dingbat

As far as we know, energy output is proportional to the product of Volts times Amps.  If either component (volts or amps) is equal to zero, the product is zero, so there is no energy there, and no work will be done.  For work to be done, something has to move.  Current flow is the movement.

It really doesn't mean a thing that the newman generator in your link generates more voltage than the batteries driving the motor have.  You have just constructed a very complicated transformer.  If the motor runs FOREVER on those batteries, then you may have something.  But, I bet it doesn't.

As a practical example, lets say the motor is consuming 6 volts at 0.1 amps.  This would equal 6 * 0.1 = 0.6 watts of power.  The output is 12 volts.  I can assure you that you will not be able to get more than 0.05 amps from the generator side of the system.  In the specific case of the video, there is probably no load at all on the 12v side, meaning there is really no power being produced by the generator.  12v * 0a = 0w.

Unless you properly load the generator and measure the output properly, you aren't doing anything unusual.  Take the device in the video and put some lamps or something on the output of the generator, and watch the motor stop turning because of the load on the generator.

Transformers can step up voltages to any amount.  The coil in your car probably produces 20-30 thousand volts from a 12v battery.   Nobody considers this unusual.  There is nothing magic about it, and it is well understood why it happens, and that there is no energy being created.  The voltage increases, and the current decreases proportionally, such that the product of voltage and current never increases in the system.  It will always actually decrease a little due to the losses in the system.  You might put in 12v at 1amp and get out 12000 volts at 0.001 amp.  The product is still 12watts, which is the important quantity.  You can't do work without wattage, which is volts times amps.  One without the other is meaningless, until Bearden actually produces that device that uses voltage without current.   I'll have to see it.

DB

Magnethos

Yes, if you have voltage or current = 0 then the watt will be always 0, so in theory is impossible to run a device with no load. It's very strange the experiment of Tom Bearden, but the best way to see if it works is replicating the experiment.

Is hard to replicate because I have to make a special alloy wire, 98% Aluminum and 2% Iron and that is difficult to replicate at home. I have to foundry the aluminum and the iron and then do the wire. So... it's hard. But I will try to replicate it and see if the theory is true or not. If the theory is true the concepts of amperage and voltage will be wrong. But as we know, I have to replicate the experiment.