Faraday's Paradox experiment

[sparks]

  There is a device that uses a permanent magnet and an armature and a spring to operate a water solenoid.  It is called a hydrominder.  The permanent magnet assembly is held down by the weight of the float in the tank to be filled against the force of a spring. In the center of the permanent magnet is a hole which allows it to be placed over a brass or plastic tube.  Inside the tube is the solenoid plunger made of stainless steel.  The pm moves up the column slowly while the plunger stays seated.  At a predetermined distance the plunger suddenly leaves the seat from a fully closed position to a fully open position.  Often associated with a click from over shooting the pm.  The same is true when the pm moves down the tube.  The plunger stays put until all of a sudden it seats. The pm assembly appears to be two pms glued together.  The glue resists the motion of the two pms from moving apart.  This resistance is quite unnatural.  What appears to happen is that we have the lines of force squeezed out enough to polarize the steel at 90 degrees relative to the motion of the polarizing unit.  The domains in the steel record the motion of the unit.  Something like a tape recorder but you move the head instead of the tape.  The motion of the pm does not move the plunger immediately because its motion is perpendicular to the polarization of the steel.  When the angle of the squeezed out field becomes relative enough to the recorded motion inside the plunger magnetic field.  Blam she moves like a rocket.  Thats what is so great about a magnetic field.  We can store boat loads of motion in it then return and extract boat loads of motion from it when needed.
   This is what drives a tuned circuit into seeming overunity.  The input of say one watt second soon accumulates into a vast amount of energy in the tuned circuit.  One watt second stored and then released in a millisecond gives you a 1000 watt energetic process.  It is not overunity it is energy storage.  I will try to quote as best I can a poster on this forum called Grumpy.  "It takes tremendous amounts of energy to create time"    Unfortunately there are many that cant see the value in expending a watt for a second to create a kilowatt output for a millisecond.  Watts measure power. Watt seconds measure work.  It is impossible to do more work than the work done.  There will never be an overunity machine.  There are and will be many energy collection machines.  The surplus energy comes from time.

[Rosemary Ainslie]

  There is a device that uses a permanent magnet and an armature and a spring to operate a water solenoid.  It is called a hydrominder.  The permanent magnet assembly is held down by the weight of the float in the tank to be filled against the force of a spring. In the center of the permanent magnet is a hole which allows it to be placed over a brass or plastic tube.  Inside the tube is the solenoid plunger made of stainless steel.  The pm moves up the column slowly while the plunger stays seated.  At a predetermined distance the plunger suddenly leaves the seat from a fully closed position to a fully open position.  Often associated with a click from over shooting the pm.  The same is true when the pm moves down the tube.  The plunger stays put until all of a sudden it seats. The pm assembly appears to be two pms glued together.  The glue resists the motion of the two pms from moving apart.  This resistance is quite unnatural.  What appears to happen is that we have the lines of force squeezed out enough to polarize the steel at 90 degrees relative to the motion of the polarizing unit.  The domains in the steel record the motion of the unit.  Something like a tape recorder but you move the head instead of the tape.  The motion of the pm does not move the plunger immediately because its motion is perpendicular to the polarization of the steel.  When the angle of the squeezed out field becomes relative enough to the recorded motion inside the plunger magnetic field.  Blam she moves like a rocket.  Thats what is so great about a magnetic field.  We can store boat loads of motion in it then return and extract boat loads of motion from it when needed.
   This is what drives a tuned circuit into seeming overunity.  The input of say one watt second soon accumulates into a vast amount of energy in the tuned circuit.  One watt second stored and then released in a millisecond gives you a 1000 watt energetic process.  It is not overunity it is energy storage.  I will try to quote as best I can a poster on this forum called Grumpy.  "It takes tremendous amounts of energy to create time"    Unfortunately there are many that cant see the value in expending a watt for a second to create a kilowatt output for a millisecond.  Watts measure power. Watt seconds measure work.  It is impossible to do more work than the work done.  There will never be an overunity machine.  There are and will be many energy collection machines.  The surplus energy comes from time.

Sparky - I copied the whole thing.  Your language is just so perfect.  Grumpy moved over to OUR.com where he conducts really long, rather involved duologues with MileHigh.  Miss them both.

What the guys are discussing here is Faraday's paradox - but if they'll tolerate a bit of a departure from this - here's my take.  There is no question that magnets can store and then deliver energy.  I've seen this happening on the most subtle levels.  Like GB I've been hanging permanent magnets over - under - beside others in ever more complex arrangements and every time they 'come to rest'.  And I've been doing this obsessively for about 10 years.  They seem to elicit movements that can be described as a 'jitter', a 'bounce', a spin, a movement towards, a movement away - and all combinations of this.  Entirely engrossing.   

Back on topic.  The proposal is that magnetic field lines may be some force that is also somehow separated from the material or atomic structure of the magnet.  It's still orbiting the permanent magnet - but it's detached.  If so, then this would explain why its lines of force do not appear to move when one twists the magnet on a 90 degree axis.  We know that the atoms that make up the body of the magnet have NOT been materially altered.  To the best of our knowledge they have not gained or lost electrons.  Their nucleus is still in tact.  So.  The question then may be 'where did that flux come from?'.

My own proposal is that flux itself has a material composition and it actually comes from its previous 'housing' or 'abode' as it attached atoms in the material of the magnet structure itself.  In other words, some more diffused type of magnetic fields are possibly responsible for the bound condition of atoms.  Therefore what has altered in the structure of a permanent magnet is the 'bound' condition of the atoms in that magnet.  And what is released is a field of these 'binding particles' that simply circle or orbit the magnet.  Never quite free but never quite attached - so to speak.  So.  If these fields are responsible for the 'bound' state of the magnet then they may be responsible for the bound condition of ALL identifiable materials?  If so, then they would also be there - binding copper to copper in copper wire, and iron to iron in iron wire - and so on. What I'm proposing is that the transfer of all energy is actually the transfer of these fields - through space and in time - that then change the bound condition of all three dimensional bound structures either temporarily - as in a rechargable battery - or permanently - as in a short in a resistor wire.  Effectively all material is a potential energy source - and inductive material is potentially an electromagnetic energy source.  It does indeed have stored magnetic energy.  But that energy is only indirectly related to the atomic mass and structure.  It's extraneous to the atom yet it relates to the atoms that it binds. 

I wonder if that's clear?   Probably not.  But you see then?  If so, then we've omitted that half of the equation from our measurements.  If the material is able to become a supply source rather than a repository of stored energy - then one would need to exceed the amount of energy delivered from the supply.

So.  Back to your point and again a little off topic.  You say that it is impossible to generate more energy than delivered.  Resonance may certainly enable multiple exchanges of energy between the supply and the work station, so to speak.  But if the work station is also SUPPLYING energy - in the form of these released binding fields - then one would actually NEED to exceed COP 1.  We've actually proved this.  But resonating circuits are difficult to measure and rely on really sophisticated measuring instruments.  Then there's an impossibly complex sum to determine the varying resistive values as the voltages change.  So.  To establish the point what we did was measure the heat dissipated at the work station.  That's an empirical measurement.  And then we measured the voltage across non-inductive shunts to establish the amount of energy delivered.  That's also an empirical measurement.  And what we found - repeatedly is that the energy delivered is less than the energy dissipated.  This could NOT happen unless there was another supply source to supplement the energy first delivered.

So Sparky.  I applaud your clarity of expression.  I'm not able to equal it.  But this is why I propose that your conclusion may be wrong.   

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

[akunkeji]

Faraday disc not inconsistent with the theory of relativity, Newton's third law and the theory of electromagnetism-related.
see here:http://akunkeji.blog.163.com/blog/static/9142170820102206448499/

[Rosemary Ainslie]

Faraday disc not inconsistent with the theory of relativity, Newton's third law and the theory of electromagnetism-related.
see here:http://akunkeji.blog.163.com/blog/static/9142170820102206448499/

Hello akunkeji and welcome to the discussion.  I wonder if I could impose on you to give us an english version of your blog.  I would be most interested.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

[akunkeji]

Ok, I will be publishing papers in the free time to explain the Faraday paradox.
"Faraday paradox phenomenon" is entirely reasonable, and there is no contradiction.
Eventually we will reach this conclusion: Faraday disc not inconsistent the theory of relativity/Newton's third law/theory of electromagnetism-related...
So, should not put too much energy to study it. It does not give us an extra surprise.