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Isn't free communication as important as free energy?

Started by exxcomm0n, October 07, 2008, 12:10:52 AM

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exxcomm0n

I have finished reading * Meyl - Scalar Wave Transponder - Field-physical Basis for Electrically Coupled Bi-directional Far Range Transponder (2008) and now have a little better understanding of what theories by Tesla, Maxwell, Faraday, and Bearden  are referring to.

It answered a few questions that I've had about radio broadcast methods as well.

It seems the operative theory is that Hertzian broadcast methods are neglecting the use of 1/2 the electromagnetic wave, and in doing so, are creating the background radio "noise" that's present, and is using a brute force method of applying more electrical energy in relation to distance coverage to cancel the effect of the noise and deliver a signal.

It seems that the scalar wave, unlike the Hertzian wave that works by applying the same amount of electromagnetic wave energy to all points of its broadcast area, is more like a one wire energy delivery method that uses the common ground as the completion of the circuit and uses sympathetic resonance to attract the air broadcast-ed "one wire" segment into an almost beam-like point to point transmission from transmitter to receiver and therefore being a much more loss-less transmission method.

As to the antenna type for scalar transmission and reception, the paper confirmed my suspicions that a flat coil with one end grounded and the other end terminating in an elevated sphere (Tesla? ;) ) would be a good starting point.

Even though I am not able to follow the mathematics very closely, it seems to be describing that the theory works like a air cored transformer  with the primary and the secondary spaced far apart using common ground and resonance to "beam" a signal from point to point canceling the noise/interference effect and allowing minimal losses.

The magnetic vortice portion of the transmission is formed between the air and the ground path encapsulating or tunneling the electrical portion?

@ Magnethos

We have the same documentation so please post to let me know if my understanding described above is what the paper describes to you.

I will research the www.scribd.com larger book by Konstantin, but now knowing how long it took me to read the 2008 document, this will take me quite a while longer.

I will study the JNL schematic and try to put together a shopping list for it's parts.

For antenna formation, I'm going to study how Tesla's Colorado Springs and Wardenclyffe towers were constructed and how it is similar to the theory in the paper, and get an idea of cost and construction  of a much smaller copy.

@ TK

Your experimentation seems to point to the  difference between a directional, and omni directional antenna in using the wave to slice through the Faraday cage of the elevator and was perhaps directionally dependent because of lack of a common ground to create the vortice or tunnel?

That could be  the reason why the ping was directionally dependent.

I have little better than a layman's understanding of electronic/radio theory or application so feel free to suggest how I might be mistaken.

EDIT

I've just read the recent posts and can maybe offer a theory why radionics has a place in this.

The Konstantin paper alludes the "Sparks Disease" that radio operators used to suffer when much lower frequencies of the radio spectrum were used and that this was fixed by using the higher band frequencies.

Could it be that these lower frequencies were resonant with biological (or earth) frequencies and would therefore effect electrical activity in the brain or other organic matter causing an effect?

I read of an Italian radio theorist (who worked with Marconi) that reportedly used radio wave resonant frequency to effect organic matter and transform (this is where it gets a little hard to believe) an apple tree to a pear tree and grow a squirrels tale on a rat (the tree types and animals maybe different).

There are many theories about electromagnetic waves and their effect on organic matter, enough so that I should recommend a word of caution about experimentation with this  as it's an unknown.
Now I have to see if I can find information about organic matter frequency and a multi-band variable frequency transmitter and making sure I try to stay out of the "organic band".
When I stop learning, plant me.

I'm already of less use than a tree.

Magnethos

@exxcomm0n

I have downloaded the book you have just reading and I was looking for information in google. I'm going to print the book and read it.

Reading your post, I have understood that hertzian broadcast methods are neglecting the use of 1/2 EM Wave, so... the problem is not the 'building and material absorption' of the waves, I mean that we think we need more power if we want to send too far a wave because the buildings and some material are absorpbing/lowing the wave power (common science explain this). So, the correct theory is the real problem is the use of the EM waves? I mean, we start using EM waves in a bad way, so there is an effect that creates interference, not for the presence of the buildings and materials... the interference is because we don't use the EM waves in a correct way? Sorry for my english.

Here you can find additional info I have just read about groundid and spheric terminals:
http://www.montalk.net/notes/tesla-wireless-technology

So... What about the JLN trasmitter? I haven't seen a ground connection. The device seems to produce only scalar waves, but it's not effective to use if we want intercontinental communications.

Of course, study the JLN schematics because my knowledge about electronics is absolutely basic.
About the antenna, I have found some information in google that we can use the same device, but we need to use spheres instead the mobius or caduceus coil (the difference seems to be that caduceus coil use JLN tube and wiring and the moebius coil uses a scalaw wave transmitter on a crystal core, quartz).
I remember that some time ago, reading the relaxation time in a conductor theory of Tom Bearden, I read that quartz has a relaxation time of 3 days. This means, the current doesn't flows in 3 days. The relaxation time in copper is extremely fast. So.. this could be interesting to be researched because during 3 days maybe, we can send only pure potential waves?¿

Here you can see info about the quartz core scalar wave transmitter
http://www.signofjonah.co.uk/build/lessons/more_j/orgone_gens_02.htm
I don't know about this, I only post this because anyone could have a brilliant idea reading this.
I have read also that anyone can build a Galena (mineral, I think Galena is the same word in Spanish and english) radio. And galena is a crystal... so... if we can build a galena radio (receiver) I'm sure we can build a galena transmissor. Why I'm typing all this? Because remember that we can use crystal as the core of a scalar transmissor. So, if Galena is a crystal and can act as a receiver, Quartz crystal could be also act as transmissor and receiver.

I have found in a portuguese website that Galena is a powerfull pulse transmitter. Maybe we could use quartz as a transmitter and galena as a receptor and build a mobius coil. I need to research more about that, this is pure theoreticall.

Meyl website: http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=10_Home&page=1&sublevel=0


So, all this is pure theory and I need to research more to get clear ideas. But maybe reading these lines someone can apport new ideas.


@TinselKoala
From Wikipedia
Radionics is the use of blood, hair, a signature, or other substances unique to the person as a focus to supposedly heal a patient from afar.

One of the most important factors in scalar waves is that the receiver starts to resonate at the same frequency as the transmissor. There is like some kind of magic involved.

From research notes montalk.net
The wireless system consist of a transmitter and receiver with identical resonant frequencies. Both are earth grounded. When one oscillates, the other also starts oscillating no matter how far away. (...) First, notice that both transmitter and receiver ideally use spherical metal terminals. Why spheres instead of thin metal rods like conventional antennas? Because what is being broadcast is not transverse EM waves, but longitudinal.


I know that each person has some personal identifiers like ADN, morphology and the... Frequency. Each person has a personal resonant frequency that is like the Aura. Each twin has his own natural frequency. So, applying what I have posted above, we can influence in any person using an hair of that person or other cell because the part and the person has the same resonant frequencies. So, the part and the person can interact at distance throught scalar wave phenomenons.

I have finished this non-scientific post. I'm going to print and read the book and post scientific data.


EDIT:
QuoteI've just read the recent posts and can maybe offer a theory why radionics has a place in this.

The Konstantin paper alludes the "Sparks Disease" that radio operators used to suffer when much lower frequencies of the radio spectrum were used and that this was fixed by using the higher band frequencies.

Could it be that these lower frequencies were resonant with biological (or earth) frequencies and would therefore effect electrical activity in the brain or other organic matter causing an effect?

I read of an Italian radio theorist (who worked with Marconi) that reportedly used radio wave resonant frequency to effect organic matter and transform (this is where it gets a little hard to believe) an apple tree to a pear tree and grow a squirrels tale on a rat (the tree types and animals maybe different).

There are many theories about electromagnetic waves and their effect on organic matter, enough so that I should recommend a word of caution about experimentation with this  as it's an unknown.
Now I have to see if I can find information about organic matter frequency and a multi-band variable frequency transmitter and making sure I try to stay out of the "organic band".

Yes, all kind of animal, plant or human life is based in electrochemical reactions. That means that electricity can interact with organic matter. You can health disseases and of course, induce disseases in anyone. If you want to know more about that, you can read stuff from these authors: Wilhem Reich, Raimond Ryfe, Hulda Clack, Robert Beck, George Lakhovsky,etc...

PS. I'm going to read the entire book.

exxcomm0n

Quote from: Magnethos on November 08, 2008, 02:10:31 PM
@exxcomm0n

I have downloaded the book you have just reading and I was looking for information in google. I'm going to print the book and read it.

Reading your post, I have understood that hertzian broadcast methods are neglecting the use of 1/2 EM Wave, so... the problem is not the 'building and material absorption' of the waves, I mean that we think we need more power if we want to send too far a wave because the buildings and some material are absorpbing/lowing the wave power (common science explain this). So, the correct theory is the real problem is the use of the EM waves? I mean, we start using EM waves in a bad way, so there is an effect that creates interference, not for the presence of the buildings and materials... the interference is because we don't use the EM waves in a correct way? Sorry for my english.

Your English is much better than my Spanish.

You are correct in stating what you have above as that is what the document seems to be describing to me.
The electrical interference is both physical absorption of the electrical wave and the "noise" created by the unused potion of the wave.
Because of not using the magnetic portion the correct way, buildings and other objects in the path will be able to absorb a part of the wave electrical energy since it is creating a "bath" of the signal radiating out in all directions with the same strength.
The scalar wave is different because using the magnetic part of the wave isolates the electrical portion of the wave so it is not realized electrically until it finds a receiver it can resonate with and de-couple (or separate) so it is then able to benefit from the beam-like directional effect while still being omni directional as far as distance is concerned until is able to "complete the circuit" and have the pulse, or frequency of the signal generate the information transmitted (voice/data/energy).

Again, this is my understanding of the document. Please read it and tell me what is says to you.
I'll be looking up the scribd book soon and start reading that.

Quote from: Magnethos on November 08, 2008, 02:10:31 PM
Here you can find additional info I have just read about groundid and spheric terminals:
http://www.montalk.net/notes/tesla-wireless-technology

Thank you.

EDIT

I had read this documentation before (In fact i posted the link earlier in this thread).
Thank you for reminding me of it since while reading the Konstantin documentation it conflicted with what this site had said, but I didn't remember where I'd read it.
The montalk.net site alludes to the Tesla transmission method furnishing the same amount of transmitted energy to multiple receivers with each receiver receiving the full transmission strength (equating in "free energy"since the transmission energy is realized once, but received at the same strength in multiple locations) while the Konstantin document says that the receiver that is closest would receive all the power.

I suppose experimentation is the only way to find out which one may be correct.


Quote from: Magnethos on November 08, 2008, 02:10:31 PM
So... What about the JLN trasmitter? I haven't seen a ground connection. The device seems to produce only scalar waves, but it's not effective to use if we want intercontinental communications.

Of course, study the JLN schematics because my knowledge about electronics is absolutely basic.
About the antenna, I have found some information in google that we can use the same device, but we need to use spheres instead the mobius or caduceus coil (the difference seems to be that caduceus coil use JLN tube and wiring and the moebius coil uses a scalaw wave transmitter on a crystal core, quartz).
I remember that some time ago, reading the relaxation time in a conductor theory of Tom Bearden, I read that quartz has a relaxation time of 3 days. This means, the current doesn't flows in 3 days. The relaxation time in copper is extremely fast. So.. this could be interesting to be researched because during 3 days maybe, we can send only pure potential waves?¿

From what I've been reading it's the antenna type and shape that influences the broadcast type and makes the JNL transmitter directional (as you say above).
The sphere topped tower with earth ground seems to be more omni-directional.
But experimentation will prove it one way or the other.
Piezo-quartz might make a good signal modulator/demodulator since it vibrates when electrically excited (I think, if I remember correctly) and would be electrically "transparent" to the signal?

Quote from: Magnethos on November 08, 2008, 02:10:31 PM
Here you can see info about the quartz core scalar wave transmitter
http://www.signofjonah.co.uk/build/lessons/more_j/orgone_gens_02.htm
I don't know about this, I only post this because anyone could have a brilliant idea reading this.
I have read also that anyone can build a Galena (mineral, I think Galena is the same word in Spanish and english) radio. And galena is a crystal... so... if we can build a galena radio (receiver) I'm sure we can build a galena transmissor. Why I'm typing all this? Because remember that we can use crystal as the core of a scalar transmissor. So, if Galena is a crystal and can act as a receiver, Quartz crystal could be also act as transmissor and receiver.

I have found in a portuguese website that Galena is a powerfull pulse transmitter. Maybe we could use quartz as a transmitter and galena as a receptor and build a mobius coil. I need to research more about that, this is pure theoreticall.

Meyl website: http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=10_Home&page=1&sublevel=0

The crystal radio seems to be a good choice (either quartz or Galena [lead sulfide]) because of the use of the "cats whisker" to concentrate the received electrical energy onto different parts of the crystal using that to tune the frequency?

I'm out of my understanding here, but trying to make sense of the small pieces that I can understand.

Quote from: Magnethos on November 08, 2008, 02:10:31 PM
EDIT:
Yes, all kind of animal, plant or human life is based in electrochemical reactions. That means that electricity can interact with organic matter. You can health disseases and of course, induce disseases in anyone. If you want to know more about that, you can read stuff from these authors: Wilhem Reich, Raimond Ryfe, Hulda Clack, Robert Beck, George Lakhovsky,etc...

PS. I'm going to read the entire book.

I've downloaded the larger document from scibd and skimmed through it enough to see that there are 2 distinct schematics for signal and energy transmission radios that may have been tested with (although they seem to be similar to the JNL schematic from VERY vague comparison).

EDIT

I think this documentation discusses how this wave form can be used radiologically too.

Please look at the larger 600+page book and see what you think.

@ TK

Would you like to have the shorter documentation from Konstantin so you can compare your understanding of it to ours?

Please PM  if interested and I can mail it to you.


When I stop learning, plant me.

I'm already of less use than a tree.

AbbaRue

@Magnethos
You mentioned that quartz has a relaxation time of 3 days.
Does anything have a relaxation time of negative 3 days?
I would like to use it to send my self the winning lottery numbers.  ;D ;D

Actually I wanted to know what this statement means. And how we could make use of it.
Where can I find the relaxation time for other materials?

not_a_mib

There is already a suitable non-electromagnetic wireless networking scheme that is an approved Internet standard, as defined in RFC's 1149 and 2549.
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2549.txt

The needed infrastructure is low-tech and straightforward to set up.