My first WFC/VIC

[HeairBear]

Where can I find the waveform your speaking of? I have read all the patents and I don't recall ever seeing a waveform ever shown. Although, I do recall seeing a waveform in a patent application from Stephen Meyer.

[supermuble]

kinesisfilms, you are being borderline mean. Just so you know, I am new to electronics. Though recently, I built my own computer system from scratch and I am running my car with this computer. I am not a complete idiot, I am just not educated in electronic circuits. I never went to school for this, I have never even had a job in electronics. I have spent my life learning about machines. My specialty is in cars. I can build engines, build an EFI fuel rail from scratch with bare metal and a hacksaw using metal from the hardware store, and I can install custom turbochargers and tune boosted engines without an engine dyno. I can build a custom ignition system on a car using toyota parts and Saab parts mixed together. Can you do this? If you can't do these things, that is fine. I am sure you could do these things if you learned how to do them. I am sure you are smart enough to learn.

The point is, everyone has different skills, obviously I am lacking in the electronics area. Now I feel completely stupid  . I have never been insulted for trying to learn, so I am surprised at the lack of patience. My feelings are hurt.

If you want to ask me about cars, I'll spend all my valuable time explaining things because I do not mind helping people learn. I only hope you can share the same compassion for me.

BTW, I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you know exactly what my setup is? My spark module is designed to trigger with an AC waveform. It is NOT designed for pulsed DC. I am feeding my spark module with the correct AC waveform that it is looking for, between 0.50 volts and 40 volts AC with very little current (via the limiting resistor) on the speaker wire input. I am simulating a distributor on a car. The spark module simply switches on and off with each zero crossing of the AC waveform. How is a rectifier going to trigger differently?  Please don't be mad. I am going to spend at least 2 hours reading tonight. I am going to learn as fast as I can, but please have a little bit of patience, I can only learn so much so fast! 

[supermuble]

I find it really hard to be nice, but I don't like acting like a little kid. These forums are all about learning. Just to put an end to the confusion, here is what I was doing.

I was NOT putting AC voltage to my automotive coil, and I was not pulsing my coil with speaker wires. I was using speaker wire to trigger a spark module for a car, which switches at FULL power no matter what.  The pulse was sent into a bifilar coil, and I was getting a pulse doubling effect on the scope, 25 hz turned into 50 hz.

I think I replicated the experiment pretty well for using junk. I am going to improve the experiment more by using different electrodes, a large inductor and some other various parts. Anyway I hope this clarifies what I was doing.

[kinesisfilms]

heairbear......honestly where in the patents do you see a full rectified wave form???

note the input being a 50 percent duty cycle square wave that is gated.


then in between the transformer and the diode we have our stepped up 50 percent duty cycle square still acting as dc.


then after the diode it becomes unipolar......go ahead take your pwm and measure it as ac it will give you a reading.....then put it through a diode and measure it again....ac reading of 0.......

then after the inductor is charged with this unipolar pulse and discharged it creates a second pulse in the original off pulse creating a FULLY RECTIFIED WAVE FORM.......as here


THOSE IMAGES ARE FROM THE PATENT.....and now that we have officially ruined fritz's thread to explain wtf a fully rectified wave form is and where it is in stanley meyers patents we can now get back on topic.....heairbear.....look a little harder at the patents and maybe you can find what you seem to not be able to see.

[Farlander]

Guys guys, I think I can settle this.
Kines point makes perfect sense, though I would not call rectifying  Basically you need the diode on the transformer secondary's negative to keep the water capacitor from discharging back through your step up transformer into the primary, damaging mosfets and the like.  This is also crucial for building up high voltage across the 'trodes. 

Essentially, the charge oscillates between the water tank and the inductor at a certain natural frequency.  If you match the pulses to the oscillating wave right at the peak, you will have coinciding waves, or waves with identical phase, 0 degrees.  Synchronized waves add in voltage!  A phenomenon of electricity.  Out of phase waves will not double voltage.... it's just like when certain objects in a room vibrate from a particular note hitting them...
whoa

check this pic to see what I mean by phase coincidence